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5 Oz 2012 Farewell To The Penny Has File Mark Type Scratches

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 Posted 05/29/2014  02:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSabatke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I looked at the pictures carefully, before ordering and after I found the problem. There are a lot of scan lines across the coin and the scratches are not visible. They were certainly not described in the the description. The plastic is also a bit marred, which I didn't do. I'm not used to looking for and reporting problems, and this coin just gets worse and worse. I've opened a case and I'm willing to settle for either a return or compensation to pay only what a damaged coin is worth.

If this does go the compensation route, I'd appreciate any opinions as to how much value this coin has lost due to the damage. I'm reluctant to negotiate that, but $600+ is a lot of money for me and I only spent it to complete my 2012 set, kind of like spending a fortune for the 2012 silver pennies and the 2010 100 year anniversary of the silver dollar, with very few sets made, with the proof large cent.

That reminds me, I am somewhat confused over pricing for Canadian pennies. It seems like sets with a mintage of 6,000 pennies and no others made sell for much less proportionally than much higher mintage pennies. It seems like special sets don't hold prices that regular edition pennies do, though all the mentioned pennies were certainly expensive in the sets (and I dearly love those beautiful sets as objects of art). I probably will die owning them, but I would like to think they will appreciate in value. Sometimes I wonder if the RCM is over-producing special sets to the point collectors aren't interested in them. I even see new proofs going for less on ebay than the mint just sold them for.
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 Posted 05/29/2014  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSabatke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He did have fairly good photos of the coin, but there were scan lines across the coin that blocked the scratches. This is only the second problem I've had out of a couple hundred buys, and the first was a problem I also discussed on this forum with a cherry picked proof set that had dreadful coins, some of which were pressed into the plastic at an oblique angle where the coin was frozen with its edge above the plastic, and all kinds of foreign material problems, and that dealer took it back with no problem. I do look carefully at the photos and avoid bad pictures and obviously over-graded coins. I also get some very good deals because I look carefully at the photos. He is screaming that I have no case because I waited two weeks to complain, but I had ordered a lot of coins in that period and it took me a while to get around to cataloging and inspecting all of them, and truthfully, I discussed it on this forum before contacting him because I wanted to get a sense if I was being reasonable. Honestly, I don't think two weeks is "way too long" and also his argument that I'm stuck with it because I opened it, when I think it's good practice to open the plastic to view them more closely to check for problems, which in this case, turned out to be how I noticed the problem was as bad as it is. He sent an "offer" to resolve it that was nothing more than railing about how bad I am and calling me a liar, with no offer to resolve of any kind.
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 Posted 05/29/2014  6:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSabatke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This has escalated into my standing my ground and angry indignation from the seller. I suppose it is possible that he didn't realize he was selling a damaged coin. I took another look, a very close look, at his photo that he included. I didn't notice the damage on his photo at first, but he left the cover on. Then I noticed that my photo was rotated a bit and I was looking in the same relative place on his photo. When I looked in exactly the same place as the worst couple scratches, between the A and N in CANADA by the rim, there are faint scratches visible through the cover on his photo, certainly nothing that anyone would notice if you didn't know what to look for without removing the cover. I wish I could include his magnified "hover" photo, but I haven't found any way to capture that. It's faint, but I think conclusive.
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 Posted 05/29/2014  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSabatke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If ebay were to insist on a price adjustment, and I've only heard they often do this, so I'm not sure if it would happen. Any ideas on how much this flaw should devalue a $600 coin?
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If I were needing this coin to complete a set, and was told about the scratches, I wouldn't even buy it.
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