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No Date Rare Counter Stamp B.rapp Large Cent

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Members of my metal detecting forum told me I should alert the coin community of this coin as there are only 4? Of these counter stamps known of on large cents.I am wondering who I should contact about this . thanks
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to the CCF!

Can you post a picture?

There are collectors of these here. I would think Exoguy would have some insight. Be patient and members will respond.
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It says b.rapp and under it possibly a different stamp reading 'cast steel'.It came from a small island off the mid coast of Maine .
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Welcome aboard, DED. Great find!

I have nothing in my database on B. Rapp. Early Philadelphia directories show that an F. Rapp operated a turpentine manufactory. There were other Rapps there, too.

Here's what I have in my database on W.D. Rapp:

HARD TIMES ERA. WILLIAM D. RAPP WAS A SILVERSMITH AND WATCHCASE MAKER FROM 1828-50 IN NORRISTOWN AND PHILADELPHIA. HE WAS AT 256 RACE STREET IN 1837, AND 1835 APPEARS TO BE THE TIME HE ISSUED C/S's. IN 1835, HE ADVERTISED HIMSELF AS A JEWELER AT 256 SASSAFRAS. IN 1839, HE IS LISTED AS A WATCHMAKER AT 256 & 254 SASSAFRASS.

The CAST STEEL c/s could have been applied by someone other than B. Rapp. I had difficulty seeing your pic and originally thought it to be WD Rapp! (aging eyes, mine) Your B. Rapp may have been a blacksmith or maker of metal products, assuming the CAST STEEL mark is his. It's not unusual to see two or more, different counterstamps on a coin and it's generally a plus in terms of research and value.

I have recorded 24 and counting of the W.D. Rapp counterstamps on various coins; this, with but two in my collection. While 24 specimens seems like a relatively low number, it's actually a fairly "abundant" amount for silversmiths in general. For most of the early silversmiths, there typically are recorded less than a half dozen specimens. The silversmith who issued far and away the most counterstamps was "STONE & BALL" of Syracuse, NY in the 1850's.

Brunk listed five copper coins with the B. RAPP c/s in 2004, one of which was a Half Cent; and, the latest date being 1826. It's quite likely that there are others yet to be recorded. I've not seen one as yet. It's a fair guess that this issuer was stamping coins in the late 1820's on; and, has potential to be a Hard Times issue..

Interestingly, Brunk lists a B. RAPP c/s along with an H. REES c/s on a 1798 large cent. Henry Rees was a Philadelphia blacksmith, located on Arch Street in the 1830's. Interestingly, some of Rees's pieces bear a CAST STEEL mark, too. It's quite possible that these two chaps knew one another or even worked together in Philly back then. While there are a number of Rapp chaps listed in the early Philly directories, I'm unable to spot a B. Rapp among them. There was a George Rapp, listed as a cooper. It's noteworthy that not everyone was listed in the directories, and folks were constantly seeking greener pastures back then when times were tough.

The Brunk # for W.D. Rapp is R-79, while Rulau listed it as HT-414. It's classified as a Hard Times token which makes it more desireable to token collectors of that era. While counterstamp collectors mostly seek a sharp, clear stamp, the condition and type of host coin plays a big part in valuation. Were W.D. RAPP stamped on an early Bust, silver coin, the value would be $300 on up. Large cents tended to have been the most common host coins used to circulate advertising counterstamps. I'd estimate the worth of a W.D. Rapp c/s on a low grade large cent to be in the $50-$75 range. Of course, values can soar on these at auction when two or more bidders aggressively vie for ownership. If your B. Rapp c/s can be attributed, it's value could approach that figure. Otherwise, maverick counterstamps seem to be selling nowadays in the $25-$35 range.

Summarily, B. RAPP was likely located in Philly and might well have been related to William D. A genealogy search could offer some leads to attribute the piece.

*** This post might be better suited to the exonumia section ....

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06/06/2014 8:36 pm
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Sassafras is the old, original name for Race Street in Philadelphia, BTW. They finally changed it in City Council in 1853, but the public had been calling it Race Street for many years, hence the use of both names in the various listings of Mr Rapp in the 1830's.
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This for replies and info! The exonumia site I believe lists b.rapp stamps separately then the w.d. rapp. That's what sparked my interest as it says 4 b.rapps are known of as opposed to the more common w rapp. I would cut and paste from the exonumia page but I do not want to break any forum rules
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Also I am sorry about location. I will move to exo section if anyone can help
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The Forum administrator will move the thread if he thinks it's warranted, DED
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Wow exo guy I must have missed part of your reply while reading on the phone screen. I see that you did address my query to a t! Thx again
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Hi DED ... I couldn't see your c/s and originally thought you had a WD RAPP, instead. I'd not seen a B. RAPP before.
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There is an excellent list of all known merchant countermarks, somewhere.
I googed b. rapp countermark, it's one of the 1st dozen, or so.
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