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 Posted 08/05/2007  01:11 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add goober to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Greetings all

Can someone please confirm for me that defacing UK coins in any way, whether in circulation or not, is in fact illegal?

Many thanks for your assistance
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 Posted 08/05/2007  03:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, destroying crown coinage for fun or profit (without formal permission) is still just as illegal as it was in the middle ages, though the penalties aren't quite as severe as being hung, drawn and quartered.

I'm not absolutely sure, but I believe Section 10 of the Coinage Act 1971 is the most relevant law you're after:
quote:
No person shall, except under the authority of a licence granted by the Treasury, melt down or break up any metal coin which is for the time being current in the United Kingdom or which, having been current there, has at any time after 16th May 1969 ceased to be so.

Translation: Don't destroy current (decimal) or obsolete (predecimal) coins.

Now I suppose it could depend on how severe a "defacing" we're talking about. A pencil moustache is reversible, so it's probably OK. A little counterstamp might be acceptable (though I believe in the 1800's, Britain had problems with this, and passed laws to prevent it - I don't know if those laws still stand).

But grinding off the Queen's portrait, or ramming a coin through one of those souvenir-making "penny elongators" like the Americans are fond of doing to their cents, would count as "destruction" in my opinion. But in the end it's the lawyer's opinions that matter more, methinks.
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 Posted 08/05/2007  04:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add goober to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the information, much appreciated.
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 Posted 08/05/2007  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day, SAP wrote:
"... though the penalties aren't quite as severe as being hung, drawn and quartered."
Counterfeiting currency was called "coining", and for a long time, it was a species of treason, and the penalties were indeed severe. Upto 1798, the penalty for women was to be burned at the stake: the last such case occurring as late as 18th March 1789.
A little research has revealed that Susan Grant (1809), and Mary Bissaker (1819) were hanged for coining.
Upto 1814, the correct sequence was: drawn, hanged (but not until dead), disembowelled, beheaded, & quartered.
In 1814, the Statute was amended. Thereafter, the hanging was until death; disembowelling was abolished; and the beheading was only carried out upon an already-deceased prisoner.
The last beheadings were in 1820: and they were spared the quartering.
Forging banknotes was a different matter, only a felony, but plenty were hanged for it upto circa 1832.
I collect counterfeit coins upto 1820, and I confess that when I handle them, I sometimes tremble at the thought of the significance they once had.
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 Posted 08/05/2007  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scottishmoney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a contemporary counterfeit Scottish hardhead from the reign of Mary Queen of Scots, in my collecting opin it is more interesting than having an authentic coin because it is rather scarcer - no doubt do to the fact that the penalties for "coining" were quite severe as Peter notes above. Quite frequently during the reign of Mary and then James VI coins such as bawbees were called in and validated with counterstamps. This act in of in it self eliminated many of the counterfeits from circulation.
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 Posted 08/05/2007  5:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumisMattyUk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
there was a defaced £1 coin recently in Coin News that had RIRA on it (real I.R.A.) - I think it had been found in Scotland...

But yes, it certainly IS illegal and I'd guess it always has been, just like forgery..though I'm not sure if the punishments were as bad as for forgers..
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