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Abbasid Dirham?

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Could anyone help ID this for me please?

I've managed to find similar obverse/ reverses, but not in this combination.

I'd rather like an ID and in particular the date it would have been struck. Any help appreciated! Thanks.


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looks like SA#219.2 on the site :
http://www.chiefacoins.com/Database....htm#Abbasid


It does indeed Petrus and thanks.

My problem is knowing whether the very small differences I feel there are to the inscription between 7 and 8 o'clock to the obverse are die quirks or differences to the date of issue ... similarly the double instead of single inner circle and missing symbol (ha) below the reverse script.

I have to say, I'm struggling with the Arabic. I can't even work out where the legends start and finish!

Nor do I know if it's the real deal. Though I can't see why anyone would copy what appear to be fairly common coins ..
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Tom,
You can send the picture to Haseeb from chiefa coins site.
If he can, he will surely help you. And he knows how to read arabic
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Thanks Petrus. If I win it I surely will!

(My main interest is whether this coin might have circulated in Viking Britain. The date given by the seller is way out, but my feeling is that it's a 'possible'.

Such Dirhams are not infrequently found alongside Viking issue silver pennies. An early example of an internationally traded coin, just like the later Spanish-American 8 Real or Maria Theresa Thaler.)
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I have a guide to reading an Umayyad dirham in my user picture gallery:

Abbasid-Dirham?

Early Abbasid dirhams read much the same, so converting this to your coin, here's how it reads:

Abbasid-Dirham?

The mint-name is "Medinat es-Salam", City of Peace - the somewhat flowery name at that time for the Caliphate's capital city, Baghdad.

The year I think is "seven and fifty and one hundred"; the second digit is a little hard to read, but it otherwise matches this example on zeno.ru fairly closely.
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Thanks Sap! A very helpful photo!

That would date it a little earlier than the British period, but that's not a problem as it may well have circulated in the Viking world. I'll do a bit more research if I win it!
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