Cleaned Coins In The Real World.

All,

I am the first to jump in line and complain about the cleaned coins, but I think we are missing the bigger point here! There are TWO separate issues!

1. When a dealer ADVERTISES a coin as GEM-BU, knowing full-well it is CLEANED - that is deceptive, and wrong, and what goes around comes around.
2. Collecting album fillers and the like, to each his own!

...At the end of the day, we should ALL be THANKING the kids, little old ladies, hotels steaming their coins, and every other example above - THANKS TO THEM for cleaning the coins!! If they did NOT clean those coins, the coins we mostly have would probably NOT be rare and valuable! So, thanks to all HONEST historical coin cleaners - you helped to "thin out" coins that were minted in the millions and sometimes hundreds of millions! Thanks to your neglect, misuse, and abuse, albeit in an HONEST way, you have whittled down the RARE coin pool to something that makes those mintages worthwhile for all of us collectors!

...But to those dishonest folks advertising intentionally with deception, you don't get the same love and adoration...

-EndTheFed

tkbslc, believe me I understand the temptation to take a chance on a raw coin that you have only seen in a photo. In my experience it has been frustrating to have many of these come back from grading in details slabs.

But sometimes one TPG calls it Details, and the other calls it Awesome!

PCGS just posted the grades for my latest submission this afternoon. I sent a couple of raw coins and a bunch of crackouts from NGC details holders (these were raw coins that I submitted to NGC). They were mostly disappointing results but my raw Ecu got AU58 and 2 AU details 8 reales ended up as AU58 and MS62.