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Unusual Denomination (?) Or Something Else?

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I was wondering about this coin:
http://www.coinarchives.com/51311d2...age01141.jpg

One can clearly see "31/36" under the picture. Now, this is a taler. What does 31/36 indicate, is it denomination, or weight? And if weight, what is the scale used? Anyone here who knows?
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 Posted 07/08/2014  8:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's neither denomination or weight, since the half thaler coins also have it. Not sure what the significance of it is.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  9:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver fineness, would be my guess. 31/36ths silver would be .861 fine. Anyone know what the rated fineness for these is supposed to be? Krause doesn't say.
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Thanks Numismat and Sap, then at least a couple of options are off the table. And fineness sounds very probable now that I think about it. No idea about what fineness is supposed to be, though, not given in any book I have access to.
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Schon lists this as an Albertustaler, which uses a different weight standard than the Reichstaler.

31/36 might be the fraction of a standard Reichstaler.

Both the 2/3 and 1/6 denominations are listed as x/x Talers and have the 2/3 or 1/6 in place of the 31/36.
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Thanks, DCH. I will get one of these in the mail soon and I can at least publish here its weight.
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Many times the small number in an orb is the value of the coin in real terms so this could mean that this coin was equal to 31 albus' or 36 kreuzers or what ever was circulating there in 1700. This was done so that the coin could be used in cross border transactions especially if it was struck to a monetary convention standard. If anyone here has a book on the coinage of Cologne and can read German that is where the answer could be found.
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 Posted 07/20/2014  04:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Litotes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin turned out to weigh 27,9 grams.
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