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Hi All,

I was looking through some halves that I had come across awhile ago for the purpose of finding varieties. I came across this 1943 S that appears to be one of the No designer initial varieties.

Any thoughts? It does not seem to have any wear that is out of the ordinary for a coin in this condition.

Any ideas whether or not this is a known variety would be helpful.

Thanks,
Bill
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 Posted 08/10/2007  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garylcsr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it looks like it was either there and wiped off or it could be a strikethroughh . I would go with strikethrough though cause I see where it either was or is
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 Posted 08/10/2007  11:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, That is a possibility.

Have Fun,
Bill
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 Posted 08/11/2007  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Designer initials are sometimes accidentally removed due to the resurfacing of dies after clashing. Another example of this would be the 2 feather Buffalo nickels. Since the initials are usually the smallest, shallowest part of the design on a die, it is easy to see why they would be the first to disappear.
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I looked thru several hundred of those walking halfs to look for missing initials. The regular initials are so deep, that it is very difficult to have any other conclusion. That sure looks like a hit to me!

I'm surprised though, only thought it was in 1945 when they had missing initials.
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 Posted 08/11/2007  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks pretty good to me . Thats why I wanted to get some other eyes to look at it.

Thanks,

Bill
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 Posted 08/11/2007  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
biokemist 6,

Since the initials on a struck coin are incuse, it would be that the initials would be raised on the die. The initials are actually pretty deep on the struck coin so they would have to be pretty high on the die.

I think that if there was enough die polishing in the area to remove the initials all together that there would be a lot of deep die polish marks or a depression where the initials used to be.

What actually happens on the two feather nickels and coins like the three legged buffaloes, is that the die dressing removes the edges (outlines) of the feather or the leg from the die. Those edges are pretty shallow. As soon as the edges that define the feather or the leg is removed from the die, the struck coins will be missing a feather or a leg.

Since the initials are pretty high on the die on a walker, it would be pretty tough to dress them away and leave the surrounding area so untouched.


Just some thoughts...

I lean toward this one being a good one:-)

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Bill
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 Posted 08/11/2007  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dustin43160 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
are you going to send it in to grade it ? or just leave it?
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Its not worth grading with respect to condition. I can send it to John Bordner, or John Wexler, or Ken Potter, for an attribution as opposed to a slabber for grading and maybe an attribution. John Bordner is keeping track of halves the last I heard:-)so probably email him and see if he needs to see it.
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I have seen these on several different dates ,,

Here is a 1936-P

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They maybe more common than a person would expect .

I seem to remember a mention of this in Breen's if I get time I will take a look for the reference .

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I found the reference in Breens it is Breens # 5193 ,,and references the 1942-S.

at the time of printing they were considered Ex rare,, and attributed as excessive die relapping to remove clash marks .

it appears that it was not the first or the last time that it occured within the walker series .

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Hi Metalman, Thanks for the info and the pic of the 1936. Thats an interesting coin as well.

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Bill
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hello guys I'm a half freak as most around me know. I have a set of Kennedy's and a set of Franklin's I'm just missing the 55 & 56 bugs bunny pieces. walking liberty all but 21 p&d ill have them in march or April of 08 and now you are telling me there are more walker I need to add to me set. oooooooohhhhhh!yes lol... I picked up a 1929-s and 1943-s so far and I'm looking at a 1945-p I would like to get a sub set together of these if possible I know there is a 1916-d I read about it in Coin World. can any one tell what mark up could be or would be on these pieces I'm not a seller I just collect they go to my kids and I need to keep them insured
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 Posted 10/03/2007  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My area is finding them:-) Pricing them would have to be done by a half dollar expert:-)
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Hi Bill, I found this same coin with no AW about 15 yrs. ago. I'm 99% sure it was also a 43 S. I'll have to try to dig it out and post a photo.

In Breen it is # 5200; he says at present extremely rare, 6 reported! Well, with yours and mine, now that makes 8!

I remember being really excited when I found this and happened to be at a coin show. I showed it to a variety expert I recognized, and his quote was, "well sometimes finding a collector of something like this is more difficult than finding the coin!"
But, I sure didn't throw it away.
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It is really interesting to know that it is that rare as far as known numbers go.

Just keep in mind that on occasion, Breen was a little inventive with numbers:-)

I truly hope that it is that scarce:-) If you are able, I can't wait to see a picture of yours.

Thanks,
Bill
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