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Roman Commodus Medallion?

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 Posted 07/11/2014  11:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add johnbathgate to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi! Can anyone tell me if it's fake or real? Diameter 36 mm. Thickness 7 mm. Weight 53g. Value?

Roman-Commodus-Medallion?

Roman-Commodus-Medallion?Weight 53g. Value?

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 Posted 07/11/2014  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
not a coin, but a medal
M COMMODVS ANTO - NINVS AVG PIVS BRIT.
Commodus, bust right graduated with paludament that leaves uncovered his right shoulder.
R. P M TR P X - IMP VII COS IIII PP
VOTA PVBLICA in exergue
(google translate : )
Emperor veiled, standing left, sacrificing from patera over tripod on. Behind him, two figures togate, in front of an altar boy (today we would call an altar boy) standing to the right, behind which a player with double flute, the leftmost one citizen, one bull for the sacrifice and a victimary with the ax raised. In the background hexastyle temple whose pediment is surmounted by a statue, as well as each of the external columns. In the tympanum Jupiter between two gods.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/mo...14/a914.html
Seems real and rather rare
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 Posted 07/11/2014  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the community

From it's overall appearance, it's pitted flan and flat details I think it's a cast fake. Can you say where it came from?

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 Posted 07/11/2014  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


but yeah...not a real coin.
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 Posted 07/11/2014  11:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, I do not have a decent series of pictures of contemporary Roman medallions with which to compare, therefore I am left guessing.

I am compelled to ask the same question that echizento has posed:
'Can you say where it come from?'
Verified provenance in this case would be critical.

I would ASSUME that most genuine Roman medallions would have been struck, but my reasoning must leave the door open to allow for casting with large pieces of say, 40 grammes or more. Much effort would have been needed, even with the flan hot, to strike medallions of say, 40 grammes or more. This leads me to reasoning that the largest contemporary Roman medallions could have been cast.

Having thus given myself an 'out', my 'gut' feeling with this piece is that it is a cast copy or fantasy, made perhaps 200 or less years ago. It certainly appears that way to me; most of the details are rather fuzzy, indicating a cast copy.

The two examples pictured seem to be from the same mold. That is perhaps not surprising. Genuine or not, there would most probably have been one mold only.


Seth W. Stevenson in his book
'A Dictionary of Roman Coins' (929 pages, first publ. 1889),
has a four page essay on the subject of Roman medallions.
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 Posted 07/12/2014  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a cast copy of a Paduan medal, Gnecchi II, pl. 89.4.

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 Posted 07/14/2014  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnbathgate to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your help everyone!
This medal was dug up in Sirmium (Sremska Mitrovica)in Serbia so I can only think it is genuine. I'm trying to find out more about it (especially it's value) and how you would go about trying to sell it!
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 Posted 07/15/2014  03:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add maridvnvm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin comes from the same dies as a known Paduan copy. The coin has soft details and several aspects that identify it as a cast copy.

Here is another aftercast from the same dies:-

Roman-Commodus-Medallion?

and another

Roman-Commodus-Medallion? Roman-Commodus-Medallion?

I can understand that you are convinced that it is original and ancient and therefore keen to sell it as such as it would be a premium item. If it is a die match to the above examples then I am afraid that you are likely to be disappointed.

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