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How Not To Store Your Coins: Chapter 1

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 Posted 07/11/2014  8:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Do not use PVC holders to store your coins. They gas off as they slowly break down and leave a yellow/green sticky film on them that can damage them. PVC poisoning as it is know, can devalue a key date to nearly melt value. Below is 2 Franklin halves I picked up today that were in a PVC 2x2 coin flip. The left is how they looked when I got them, the right is how they looked after I soaked them in pure Acetone for 30 minutes. It got most of the contamination off of them but they still need more soaking to get it all off. These were part of a batch I bought today.

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 Posted 07/11/2014  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Dangers of PVC have been discussed many times on these forums. Such additional advice is always a good thing as a reminder.
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 Posted 07/12/2014  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Celticsoul to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I learned this lesson the hard way about a decade ago.
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 Posted 07/12/2014  01:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Same here.
I had to re pocket about 2,000 2x2's in album pages, made of either Mylar or polypropylene
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 Posted 07/12/2014  4:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tim's quote

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Do not use PVC holders to store your coins.

Great advice.
Tim, are there still PVC holders in the market today?
Is this advice for older holders that are still around and used for years on end?
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 Posted 07/12/2014  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe that there are still PVC based holders on the market. I do not use them myself, I prefer the 2x2 cardboard/mylar fold overs. I make sure that the coin pages I use are PVC free, they are a bit pricey, but worth it.


This might help you out a bit.

http://coinsguide.reidgold.com/holders.html
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 Posted 07/12/2014  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kg5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will ask!

How can you tell what plastic is what?

It would be helpful to know.

Some more info: Does the Perth Mint use PVC clear plastic containers?
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 Posted 07/12/2014  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I killed my first set of Lincoln head cents, not complete by any means but some really nice coins in there, I had them in the old Brown Harco album, They have slides with pockets for each coin and a strip of paper for labeling below, a very nice design flawed by their use of non-inert materials. The early albums were all PVC, I went off to college, and when I came back I was dismayed to see my coins swimming in green goo. Ruined some very nice RD uncirculated LWCs in those. I switched over to the replacement slides made of "archival" plastic, NOPE, some thing a few years later, possibly from the PVC leeching off the main page into the slider part. Never again. PVC first forms a sticky green goop that eventually turns into a hydrochloric acid and etches the coins surface permanently damaging them. While the PVC is still in a liquid state, it can be removed via acetone, xylene and a few other nasty chemicals.

The third post down in this forum shows an almost identical situation happening in the same albums I had.
http://metaldetectingforum.com/show...hp?p=1135131

It wasn't just me, I've seen horror stories from these albums over the years, like one guy that had sets of proof Seated coins, Barber, and similar coins all ruined costing him tens of thousands of dollars in damages. Most of those coins were purchased in the late 1970's at auctions by Bowers & Ruddy and Steve Ivy, these were some monster coins at the time, I saw the aftermath at a coin show in the mid 80's when a dealer friend of mine was trying to buy them, but the losses were so great to the seller, he couldn't bear to sell at such low prices, every coin was damaged beyond repair, and doubtful they could be conserved at all. So sad.

While this album design is really nice and looked great, it is very flexible to changing your collection or custom building sets, it is not at all a safe way to store coins.

Later I tried putting the coins in air-tite capsules but that made the coins too thick to sit in the album and too much plastic to look through for each coin. I finally gave up on them (for the best).
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 Posted 07/13/2014  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try and find pages and holders made of polystyrene. They are very good for long term use. The down side is that they are expensive, $100+ for a 100 count box of 20 pocket pages.
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 Posted 07/13/2014  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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How can you tell what plastic is what?


That is the $million dollar question, as long as they don't come from China - I'd think the manufacture should be fairly honest in their descriptions.

The soft flexible plastic is generally full of PVC, it usually has a certain look to it when you hold a new one up to a bright light, there are wavy oily looking lines and patterns in the plastic.

Archival or Saf-T-Flips (Saflips) are brittle, and have sharp edges on the corners, they feel like a new playing card, they are very transparent when looking through them. They also usually have a textured edge. While the PVC flips have smooth edges (though this is no guarantee).

Most 2x2 album pages are made with PVC while the 2x2 and 1.5x1.5 cardboard flips are generally made with mylar (which is safe), it's the adhesives in the self sealing ones or staples that can be the issue with these.

Early Copper collectors like to use flannel bags that insert into 2x2 paper envelopes. Very nice protection for circulated coins.

National, Dansco and Whitman type albums use mylar slides which can potentially cause scratches when sliding open or shut and contacting a coins high points. Dansco seem to be the best, the old National albums were known for their ability to tone coins in beautiful patterns over the years of storage, but more than likely the paper content that caused this is long gone by now in older albums, I've tried using some silver dollars stored in them for over 10 years now, with no changes in color other than a very subtle yellow/gold rim toning developing.

Some older paper envelopes contain high amounts of sulfur in the paper, this can accelerate toning, sometimes nice colorful subtle colors, more often than not, dark splotchy ugly colors. Newer paper envelopes are pretty good from my experience.

Polyethylene bags (Poly Bags) also seem to be okay, you can by little bags for various coin sizes then insert them into paper envelopes or Saf-T-Flips with a lot more protection, great for Proof coins.

Capital Plastic holders are made from plexiglass and are safe, but not at all air tight. Sometimes it is very hard to get a coin in or out of them, the coins have a tendency to rotate easily in them as well.

Intercept holders and ring inserts - protection against corrosion and airborne pollutants when used correctly, they don't last forever and should be changed out when completely black in color (they start our a purplish brown color).

Bottom line - you generally get what you pay for, order from a large reputable dealer like Jake's, Lighthouse, Whitman, or Wizard and you can be sure of the product.

Store coins away from high humidity, with desiccant packs that are recharged on a regular basis. Keep coins out of direct sunlight or UV exposure (especially on copper that is Red or Red Brown). Tupperware seal top containers, Ammo cans, etc are all good ways to store albums or boxes of coins in an enclosed sealed environment.
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07/13/2014 9:23 pm
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 Posted 07/13/2014  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Tim, are there still PVC holders in the market today?


Not Tim, but I'll field this question - YES there are PVC holders on the market, it's what I and the TPGs like ANACS, PCGS, and NGC prefer, even specify to get coins submitted in. They prefer the world crown sized flips, 2.5 x 2.5 sized, if you are concerned about contamination use the polyethylene bags I spoke of above.

These flips are large and pliable they won't cause scratches on coins, and are fine for short term storage in cool dry environments - for a few weeks only!

Most dealers use them too (2 x 2) , on coins they are moving quickly, just don't store anything in them long term!

"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013!
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Edited by westcoin
07/13/2014 9:19 pm
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 Posted 07/14/2014  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Westcoin.
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Thanks Tim. I did not see your response until reading this post again.
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 Posted 07/19/2014  07:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hidalgo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are BCW 2x2 plastic flips a good way to store coins? In other words, are coins safe if store in BCW flips>
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