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So about six months ago I picked up a Candanian Proof set in an online auction. Coins came in the original mint display case and I put them in the safe but noticed that the "faux" red velvet holder was flaking some but didn't worry too much about.
So I pull them out this morning and knew I was in trouble when I couldn't get the coins to seperate from holder, basically had to punch them out and holder cracked all, didn't do any more damage getting them out.
So check out the photos, use distilled water, acetone, tears?

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 Posted 07/17/2014  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Acetone should work to remove the red flocking.
The dollar is nickel so I don't know if it can be returned to its original brilliance.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Quote:
tears?

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What would cause the holder to leave behind that residue? Shouldn't it have been made, even in the 1970's, with quality materials?
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The back of the holder is plastic, and after looking at it again I think whatever was used on the display side was sprayed onto the plastic.
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Work with the least valuable coin first.

Before getting started read all warning labels on the solvent you are about to use, wear proper protective wear (gloves, safety glasses, etc) and use in a well ventilated area. (Whatever you do ...be smart and safe!)

Start off using a "weaker" solvent like alcohol and let the coin soak in it for a few minutes. Rinse well in cold running water. Did any of the "stuff" come off? Did it alter the underlying appearance of the coin? If that does not give you the results you want then step up the game by soaking it again for a longer time. Repeat as necessary.

If alcohol did not work try using paint thinner or Acetone. Generally speaking, the more volatile the solvent, the more aggressive it is at attacking the stuff you are trying to remove. Side effect is that the stronger it is, the more chances you have of damaging the coin surface and appearance. You just have to be patient as this crap can be removed.

Back in the 70's, when these holders were made, appearance was everything. The marketers could care less about long term storage. All they wanted was a pretty holder that was cheap and had eye appeal and would help sell the coins.

Good luck!
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Hadn't even thought about alcohol, I'll give that a try first, thanks Westernsky.
I'll be sure to post follow up pics.....
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So after a five minute alcohol soak most of the red gunk came off, however under the loupe you tell that some sort of a chemical reaction started etching the coin. Out of acetone so I'll pick some up tomorrow but I think they're toast. One side of the coins are fine as seen in first picture, have a before and after on it's obverse.

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Most likely, the 40-year contact with the felt, and the out gassing of the glue, has caused a chemical reaction that attacked the metal on the nickel. You will probably see the same thing to varying degrees on the other coins.
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BTW - If these had been stored in a high temperature/high humidity environment that will just accelerate the damage to the coins.
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Don't like to admit it but it's kind of a hit on me, should have pulled and checked those coins when I first got them.
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That sucks! I'm sorry man. You'd assume a mint set would be in a coin safe holder. However I think the damage was done over decades not in the time you've had it.
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Yes I keep coins in safe with humidity control, don't think I've had those 6 or 7 months yet.
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Sadly this damage is all too typical for Canadian specimen sets of the era.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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