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1927 Silver Soverign Pattern

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 Posted 08/20/2014  04:30 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hi all another strange coin I have here ok the info
21.5 mm
2.19 grams
readed edge
bp under the horse and a SA MINT MARK looks real any help would be great is here any known trials from 1927 and was they minted in London or south Africa

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1927-Silver-Soverign-Pattern

1927-Silver-Soverign-Pattern

1927-Silver-Soverign-Pattern

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 Posted 08/20/2014  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks very weakly struck; if I found it I'd assume it was a counterfeit or play money of some kind, rather than a base metal trial strike of some sort. It's not like the sovereign was a new design in 1927; I can;t think of a logical reason why such a thing would be made in the mint.

Do you have reason to assume it actually came from a mint?
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the old 2x2 had (great Britain trial strike unusual piece) is the description that was on
the 2x2 and it was a very old 2x2 I did read they added the SA IN 26 27 28 29 WHAT MINT WAS IT IN SOUTH AFRICA looks very real in hand sap didn't look to good in the old 2x2

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one more thing sap they were trying new effigy's one the king as they were having trouble with the wekness of the strike I read someware researching another George v coin from the same time frame
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 Posted 08/20/2014  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a jeweler's copy, this case made in silver, but was never gold plated.
Sharpness of detail is lacking, which leads me to think 'copy' or 'replica', (but not necessarily 'fake', with the intention to deceive).
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another George v weird coin I will toss it with the others have 4 coins that the London mint museum asked me to send them after see my photos thanks sap /sel will show you the lot wen they come back
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London Mint Museum ?
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sorry andygo this place
The Royal Mint Museum
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the word "silver" appears in the title of this thread, but I'd query "Why ?"

A sovereign is about 22mm, and a tad under 8 grams.
The nearest silver coin is the shilling - slightly larger at 23.6mm; but weighing 5.66g.
The variation is, of course, attributable to the inherent difference in density between gold and silver.
But the "coin" posted in this thread is less than half the weight of a shilling.

So, I'm thinking that Shane's coin is of some base metal, and probably Sap's suggestion is "on the money".

Shane raises a few other points -
if I recall what I read a few years ago, the South African mint was in Pretoria.
They produced sovereigns each year from 1923 to 1932.
A new effigy of KG5 ? This looks just like the effigy of KG5 used on coins of most countries in the Empire, except of course, Australia - we used a crowned head. The uncrowned head was also common on British medals.

I'm wondering if it's a counterfeit, still waiting to electroplated, before being passed into circulation ?
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