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A Couply Tricky Coins I Am Trying To Identify

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Ok, so the coin looks to be from 1625. Also it is a portrait of some king the 3rd, as far as I can tell. It looks like roman numeral 3 at about 11 oclock. I also see the word REX at about 4 to 5 oclock. On the back I see the crusader cross and the letters HOO. Any ideas? I tried looking up 1625 on numista, and no luck.

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On this coin I can see a horse on the front with some letters going over the top. I cant make out many of the letters.

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This last coin is a crusader coin of sorts that I cant figure out. I feel like that W at the bottom should be saying alot, but I dont know what any of the inscription means. Any thoughts?
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 Posted 08/22/2014  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
enhanced pictures will help:
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has this 3th coin a backside?
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Coin #1 is a 3 cavalli of Naples under the rule of Philip IV of Spain. Not HOO, but HOC, as in IN HOC SIGNO VINCES:

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The obverse here is a bit odd, though. Here's what I think is going on: In the legend from 9:00 to 12:00 you can see a repeat of the section reading ~VS•IIII~. I think this is from a first strike; the planchet was then rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise and struck again.
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Well done Phil.
Philip IV was also written as Philip IIII
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Very interesting about IV written as IIII. I knew it looked like IIII, but I discarded it because it didn't make sense for roman numerals. As for the back of the last coin, I can't see how to paste it in here, so here is a link to imgur: http://imgur.com/stOLw7y
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Awesome job on that ID for the first one!
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Thank you so much for the second pic! The obverse shows the large, stylized central S, surrounded by the legend SENAVETVS. In that context, the legend on the cross side is ALFA ET O. This is a coin (possibly a quattrino) of the Republic of Siena. Looking for a good pic as an example of this variety, but let's start with this parpagliola. Very different issue, but note the symbol at the top?

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Very interesting! I wish there were better resources on coins from this time period.
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sena vetus civitas virginis : virgin of the old city (or something like that)
this link gives some pictures of the 3th coin:
https://www.google.be/search?q=sena...1264&bih=685
Here you find the treasure of the city Sienna :
http://www.iltesorodisiena.net/2011...vergine.html
http://www.thefullwiki.org/Siena

Nice work Phil!
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on this site you can find some books : http://www.medievalcoinage.com/pdfbooks/
page 185-187 : Sena : http://www.medievalcoinage.com/pdfb...liae_V01.pdf
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No, the "civitatis virginis" motto is from different Siena coin issues. This one reads ALFA ET (or ED) O, for "alpha and omega," Christ's self-description in the Bible. Sometimes the O is rendered as a Greek lowercase omega.

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