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Valued Member
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I've been getting into obtaining old thalers recently and finally got my first, a 1632 Austrian 1/2 thaler, last month. already when I was watching this Austria-based seller I noted some coins that looked suspect, so I avoided them, but recently I chanced upon this video of some person showing how they reproduced old thalers, and it seemed to be a legitimate company, but I forgot the name, Europe-based too.
so yesterday I found an old thaler piece that was identified as a replica by the seller, and I was told that the coin was not flat, which is consistent with the roller die technology of that time. now this makes me wonder if all the 17th century Austrian coins I've got are real or not.
does anybody know how differentiate a real from a replica when there are no explicit markings to indicate so, and especially when they also replicate the non-flat nature of the actual coins? I've got as mentioned the 1632 1/2 thaler Austria, including 15 kreuzers from 1685,1689 and 1694, and I'm not sure if they could be replicas too. this is worrying considering that one thinks one would be buying actual antiques when even in Europe they are reproducing these.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It can be more art than science. The best way to tell is consult a trained eye.
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United States
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I can imagine that there might be old counterfeits that used to circulate as well, this was quite an issue for British coins during that time.
I once bought a thaler from lunenburg germany it was hard to tell from the pictures, but it ended up being a replica, once I got it in hand it was easy to identify.
Also the seller gave me such an incredibly run around, he told me to return it to a specific address but I got suspicious because it was different than the address on the envelope after opening a case, the address provided differed from the other 2 and to top it he made a package interception request and re-routed the item to a completely different location.
However he was booted..... after that
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@Numismat, what do you mean by it could be more art than science, does that refer to why they're not flat coins?
@GEKO were the distinguishing features only in the details of your coin? before I bought mine I made sure to thoroughly inspect all details, including positioning of the legends, the character styles and everything seemed to fit, even in hand.
the fact that it was holed somewhat also convinced me that this might not be a repro, although I don't think replicators/counterfeiters wouldn't have already thought of that. my coin weighed about right considering the hole and appeared to have been cleaned on the fields of the coin where it wouldn't require extreme precision. and last night this taler I was watching also sported the same sort of cleaning, although I wouldn't suspect anything yet.
I hope you got your refund though
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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sg93, it sounds like you encounter some very professional counterfeits, don't you? The best way to learn how to make out a fake needs some detailed and enlarged pictures for our discussion. Will you post your coins' pictures here? Henry
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Valued Member
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Sorry, have been away. here are the pictures:   I don't believe this a reproduction, but maybe I'm just not aware of certain things? |
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Pillar of the Community
Hong Kong
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It looks ok. Is the coin bent? Henry
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Valued Member
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Yes it is bent, but after learning that certain replicas of old coins were also produced with a bend, I don't know if all of them are really what they seem. would you happen to know anything about this?
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Valued Member
Canada
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I think it could be an old replica/counterfeit. Lots of those floating around. If you compare it to the picture in Krause KM#592.1 (www.numismaster.com), you will see the legend is off on the obverse....the picture is not sharp though.
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Pillar of the Community
Austria
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Wrong guess. This is a fully sound and 100% authentic coin.
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Valued Member
United States
462 Posts |
If this is ex jewellery , shouldn't there be wear on one side ? I have a Salzburg tablet with a loop and one side is worn rubbing with cloths.
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Valued Member
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yes, somebody had quite viciously cleaned the fields on the obverse, I suspect someone thought it beautifully preserved enough to turn it into a 'pretty' piece of jewelry.
I did compare extensively the picture of this coin before bidding on it with pictures on ngccoin or another website and didn't find any deviations, although at first I did confuse it with the thaler. I can't seem to view the picture on numimaster though since I haven't registered an account
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Valued Member
Norway
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If Coinworldtv says it's good, it's good. Simple as that.
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Posted 08/26/2014 1:53 pm
