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1902 Indian Head

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 Posted 08/31/2014  11:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 6thCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone, this is my second post and I'm new to the indian head pennies but I started my hunting and found this coin in addition to a few rolls and lots of semi key dates to start the collection. This 1902 I bought purely on the look before doing any real research on the IHP I may have overpaid at $54 but I just loved it's look. I collected coins as a kid and I know what I like to see in a coin. This one is striking to look at, it was sold as BU, I bought it and I would like your opinions on what it would grade.

Thanks

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 Posted 08/31/2014  6:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU details, cleaned
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 Posted 08/31/2014  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be MS, but looks cleaned to me too with some possible damages. Looks almost like solder on the obverse that was removed.
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 Posted 08/31/2014  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to CCF 6thCents...enjoy your stay with us.

Yeah I agree looks cleaned and that bit on the obverse looks like solder like David said.
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 Posted 08/31/2014  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beaglebailey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely cleaned. Sorry to say, but at $54, you did overpay for that coin. Don't beat yourself up over it, I made plenty of similar mistakes when I first started collecting. Lesson learned.
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 Posted 08/31/2014  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatchaser140 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU details, stained and cleaned.
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 Posted 08/31/2014  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joe2007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU-Details, harshly cleaned.

Were the first two images the seller's? They look professionally done and highly deceptive.

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 Posted 08/31/2014  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 6thCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys for the welcome and for all the input. I wonder how or why solder got on there? But anyway just to better understand grading a bit. If I were to send it in to get graded and it was graded as AU-XX or MS-XX the slab would be an Original Only cleaned probably? How would the damage effect it and I'm assuming if it is solder it's PMD?

Thanks again for all the information, I've been reading non-stop trying to soak information in.
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 Posted 08/31/2014  10:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 6thCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Yeah the first two pics were from the sellers listing, that's why I will return it.
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Where do ya'll see the wear for the AU grade? Or is it just the damage and the harsh cleaning?

For the OP: I agree with the other folks here who have previous said: ebay is a real mine field. The dude that sold you this was posting it as "Choice BU" and he should know better. The seller has a high number of coin sales. People are incentivized NOT to give neutral or negative feedback, so even with high rating it is really buyer beware.
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 Posted 09/01/2014  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bababooey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's one that is in a slab MS-64. I'm not commenting on the price, but I'm wondering what is the motivation from a dealer NOT to slab a IHC that he thinks is MS 63 or better (i.e. "choice BU" or "Gem BU")? My guess is that the coin that is not slabbed would be given a details grade or an AU grade? Comments? I hate to be so skeptical, but that's been my experience.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1902-MS-64R...em2ecfa295f0
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 Posted 09/01/2014  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bababooey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not to belabor the point, but here's a sketchy listing:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1902-1C-IND...em51c2b38683

Is this coin worth more than one dollar? Listed for $300+?!?!?
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http://www.coinweek.com/coin-gradin...ified-coins/

This article seemed interesting regarding the advertising of "choice uncirculated coins.
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Thanks fafafohi for the input(20 yr fan myself)! That one will go back after the show next week in LB, I figure take it just in case? I do have another 1902 that I think is interesting I can post it in it's own thread. Thanks again everyone and babbabooey to you all!

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AU details.
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Is it me or do the diamonds look funny? Like they were retooled..?
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