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Hey, Just update to an old thread, I sent the entire proof set in wanting to get the set graded in the government housing. However they made a mistake and broke them out, which worked in my favor.

1c Came back Close AM variety as expected... PF69UCAM
5C PF68 ULTRACAM
10C PF70 ULTRACAM
25C PF70 ULTRACAM
50C PF70 ULTRACAM
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 Posted 10/14/2014  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice update ... congratulations.

I note that Coop has replied to your earlier question on "STATES" ... that is IMHO a much better indicator of WAM/CAM variety than viewing the well known separation between "AM"

Wondering which TPG graded this set? I assume by your original post it was NGC but you did not say in the follow-up.

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 Posted 10/14/2014  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PF69UCAM--wow, nice grade--congrats! [up\
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Very nicely done. Got any pics of the PF70's
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[quote]I sent the entire proof set in wanting to get the set graded in the government housing.[quote]
They don't do that. I believe the only coin PCGS slabs in the government holder are the GSA dollars. NGC only does the GSA dollars, the brown and blue Ikes, and the first day cover president dollars.
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 Posted 12/22/2014  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Copper Penny Connection to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I meant to say that I wanted them all housed together when they grade. Something like this....



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As requested, Here are pictures of the 70s, as well as the 1998-s Close AM....






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Ill be posting up a few images in a new post soon with the 1942/1-D Mercury dime I bought for under melt value the other day
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NGC stopped using the multi-coin holder several years ago.
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LOL really? I guess that explains it! thanks for clearing that up for me.
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That is awesome! I am looking forward to the post on the Mercury dime overdate! Congrats!
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matttheriley:
That is awesome! I am looking forward to the post on the Mercury dime overdate! Congrats!


Actually the 1942/1 is not an over date. It is a doubled die. What is the difference? Overdates were found on 19th century coins were the dies were reused and each die was individually created. A die from a different year had a different punched digit added over an existing die used in a previous year.
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The individual digits were added by hand to the dies. Thus the "Overton" listings for these dies. Note what happens when they don't fall exactly over the previously punched digits? They are called repunched dates.
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Not like the 20th century where the design was made in a longer process of 4 steps.
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So how did the 1942/1 dime and the 1943/2 nickel happen it they were not over dates? The die was hubbed with the previous years hub and then hubbed with the current year hub. So it was a die variety (doubled die) because it was hubbed with two different hubs.

So the 1942/1 not an over date, but a doubled die.
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Overdates were found on 19th century coins were the dies were reused and each die was individually created. A die from a different year had a different punched digit added over an existing die used in a previous year.

With only two exceptions (The 1806/5 quarter and half) no 18th or 19th century overdate is the result of a previously used die having a new digit punched in to be used in a subsequent year. Every overdate is the result of an unused and non-hardened die left over at the end of the year being re-dated.

The 1865 Two Cent and Three Cent pieces you showed are not overdates,they are repunched dates. An overdate is the result of one date being punched in over a different date, A repunched date is a date being punched in over the SAME date.

If you view the hub as simply a punch that contains the entire design, then you could say that the 42/1 and 43/2 ARE both doubled dies AND overdates because they are one date punched in over a different date.
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Good catch condor! Fixed the image.
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