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I am practicing taking photos of my Lincolns and would like some advise. I bought a program to organize my collection and before I start taking pictures of my entire collection I figured I would practice a little bit and get some advise here. First I have no ideal what any of the technical terms are, so if I need to adjust something please explain a little bit. Alright first is a 1911 I just found in a roll-
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This is the reverse
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Next is a close up of a 1954-D-1MM-001 I found recently.

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This is a super close up of same coin, this one is out of focus

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There ain't much wrong with your photos. They are sharply focused and very close to correct color - you'd have to determine that. It's quite possible to grade reliably from them, and that's the acid test. If it were me, and this is my opinion only, I'd arrange for them to be *slightly* darker. I like them that way. Maybe make the exposure one notch faster.

The only thing you might want to change either way is to be more precise with the orientation of the coin - the obverse is a little out of "square" to the viewer. It should be an important point that I'd have to get so picky to find a fault.
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Thanks Dave, here are a couple more with different colors, I used diffused light through a milk jug.
I am shooting with a A200 Konica Minolta Dimage using a tripod, USPS box, back of a cereal box for background (need a 20% grey but this is all I got for now).
I am using a florescent light I got at home depot. All of these ideals I got from this forum and others like it. I also cropped these then resized to 60%, should I go smaller?

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This is a purple toner I just picked up at a coin show, still deciding if it goes into the album
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Here is a try at a proof, I hate shooting through plastic, but I think it is ok. I think the light needs to be diffused a little bit more.
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Dave,


When you say make the exposure faster, what button is that or how is that number represented? Also do I increase the number or decrease it, thanks!
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Lincolns are pure Americana and your photos are great.

I appreciate the Lincoln so much more when well photographed and enlarged.

Nice job!
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You know, it looks like he's smiling more on the 1911, check it out.
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Maybe he forgot to say "cheeeeeeeese" in the other photos, or he is just happy he finally got out of that roll he has been couped up in! I does look like he is smiling more.
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quote:
When you say make the exposure faster, what button is that or how is that number represented? Also do I increase the number or decrease it, thanks!


I don't know a whole lot about the A200, excepting that it's now on my list of recommended cameras for coin pics.

Are you using Automatic mode for your shots? That'll be "AUTO" on the dial on top. If so, you can't adjust anything; we need to go to full Manual mode to make the adjustments. The other dial settings - P, A, and S, allow you to change one or two settings while the camera determines the rest; these are counterproductive for coin photography because the unique requirements of shooting coins sometimes mean you have to use settings the camera might not use if left to its' own. The "picture" settings on the dial are presets for various conditions, and aren't relevant in this arena because we'd rather you had the ability to change everything on your own. And, if you're on AUTO, does the camera show the settings on the LCD when you hold the button halfway down to autofocus? It's important to record the settings for each shot, to help determine what settings the camera "likes" for a given coin type.

So, I guess, what I'm advising you is to study the manual. There will be a test....
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Dave,

1. I have the selector on "M" which I think means macro (maybe manual).
2. 3264X2448 Fine (I can choose standard, fine, extra fine, Raw and JPEG,Raw)
3. 1/50 no ideal what this is
4. F5.0
5. AWB, I think is auto white balance
6. ISO100 (this is on auto)

As for the A200, it has really gone down in price, I paid $1,000 for mine years ago, now I think they go for a few hundred on ebay. I bought it for my wife to take pictures of the baby and family. She has got pretty good with it, I was thinking of selling it for something a little less complicated for her, but now I will keep it for coin photo's!
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Dave,

1. I have the selector on "M" which I think means macro (maybe manual).
2. 3264X2448 Fine (I can choose standard, fine, extra fine, Raw and JPEG,Raw)
3. 1/50 no ideal what this is
4. F5.0
5. AWB, I think is auto white balance
6. ISO100 (this is on auto)


OK.

1. That's Manual; whether you know it or not, you're controlling every parameter yourself.
2. You're using the largest image size setting available; try Extra Fine Quality to see what improvement you get. If you can see no visible improvement, then go back as you're just increasing the size of the files without any compensation.
3. 1/50 is the exposure; you'll want to increase that number (although this is but one way) to brighten the pic.
4. f/5.0 is Aperture, the size of the opening that the shutter creates when you snap the shot. Larger numbers mean smaller openings, and less light admitted; smaller numbers mean wider openings and more light. This is another way to brighten a shot, although there is a tradeoff - as the aperture gets wider (smaller number), the depth of field gets shallower, and there will be a point where the whole coin will not be in focus. You'll get the devices but not the (physically lower) fields, or vice versa. If you were to change the aperture to f/8.0, you'd need to change the exposure to about 1/15 to get the same picture.
5. You're exactly right. I don't think you need to play here, for the moment - it looks like the camera is pretty good at this.
6. ISO is the sensitivity to light used by the sensor. It's relevant in that higher ISO numbers allow you to work in lesser light conditions. The tradeoff is that higher ISO numbers mean more "noise" in the picture. Higher ISO means a brighter picture if nothing else changes. In this niche, you should be able to work up to ISO 400 anyways without noticeable degradation in image quality. If you go from ISO 100 to ISO 200, you could change the exposure from 1/50 to 1/80 or 1/100 and get the same picture. Or, you could change the ISO to 200 and the aperture from f/5.0 to f/6.3, keep the exposure the same 1/50 and get the same picture.

Exposure, ISO and aperture are all interrelated, which makes it a pretty complicated dance. You can vary any of the three to get the same end result. There are photographic circumstances under which the "best" way is to vary one or the other - if you're photographing sports, fast exposures are important so you do things which let you use the fastest exposure. If you're shooting at night, ISO is important so you do things which let you use the highest ISO number. Aperture settings are the most ambiguous of the three - you could want a wide (low numerically) aperture to get a sharp foreground focus while leaving the background blurry, for instance.

Everything I'm saying is a generality - like any rules, there are many exceptions. It's been my experience, with my equipment, that none of these settings make any difference that I can't do equally well with another setting to shoot decent pictures of coins. Your mileage may vary.
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I will try a couple of those settings, it is going to be a rainy day today and I was planing on organizing my collection today. I want to change out the 2X2's(they got pricing and notes on them now) and photograph them. I got a 2X2 box that is full of cents. I bought some 2X2 plastic pages and a 3 ring binder that I want to put all of my varieties and errors in. I appreciate the help and tips, thank you!
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