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Jefferson $1 Edge Question

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 Posted 08/29/2007  11:02 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add magusxxx to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Sorry, I can't do scans or pictures.

I bought a role of the Jefferson Dollars yesterday and found an oddity. I was wondering if anyone else came across this. But first, this was an uncirculated role and there were tons of dings and dents and everything else under the sun on these. Especially on the edge lettering. That's why it's a little difficult to figure out whether these are errors or quality control issues.

Between the 'u' and 'm' in Unum it looks like an I. This can be seen without magnification. If you magnify it and compare it to another coin the line is slightly bent at the top and bottom. What makes this interesting is that I have another coin which does have a straight line going from edge to edge in front of the letter 'g' in God. Between the 'n' and the 'u' you can see a faint 's' or '8'. This letter does not match the type face of either the rim or the digits on the face of the coin. Again, I'm wondering if this isn't just an optical illusion.
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 Posted 08/29/2007  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sleaklight to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I personally think it's quality control although as far s the | between u and m is fault of quality control I managed to sell one on ebay for a few bucks. Even though I stated it was "struck by the machine or something in the mint" people still bought it:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...SO:IT&ih=002
You could try and turn a quick buck on it though it might be unethical and due to that I have not sold those dings anymore but I have quite a few in Adams, I have not been able to find me a bank that carries Jefferson rolls. But if you are finding many, then it's quality control and not actual error.
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 Posted 08/29/2007  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That appears to be the seam from the edge imprinting machine's roller.
(where it starts & ends.
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 Posted 08/29/2007  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mcrespo1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just went through 50 Wasgingtons and I have to agree with Sleaklight about the "QC". The centering is off on 80-90% of the coins and they are coming from the mint with scratches, gouges and dings all over the coins. Chances of getting a mint state grade of any level is slim to none. I found one coin that the edge lettering is on the absolute edge of the coin to the point where the impression is buldging the rim of the coin.
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mcrespo said

"I just went through 50 Wasgingtons and I have to agree with Sleaklight about the "QC". The centering is off on 80-90% of the coins and they are coming from the mint with scratches, gouges and dings all over the coins. Chances of getting a mint state grade of any level is slim to none. I found one coin that the edge lettering is on the absolute edge of the coin to the point where the impression is buldging the rim of the coin."

A few things here. The coins are minted and dropped into huge hoppers, they will bang up against each other as they are being dropped into the hoppers and as they are being moved around. Every coin in a BU roll has an MS grade. It would at least be Mint State 60. The nicks, gouges and bangs are totally expected and have nothing to do with quality control on circulation strikes.

Also, I've looked at thousands of coins and have not found one where the "centering" of the strike is beyond the tolerances set by the Mint. Again no QC issues. This is all normal stuff as sen on circulation strikes of any U.S. coins.

What TraesHunt mentioned is the reason for that "thing" that looks like an "I" on the edge of the coin. Evidence of it can be found on most of the coins if you look closely. Again it is a non issue, non error, non anything and selling them on ebay as something unusual would be a disservice to collectors in my opinion. I wish people would just put collectibles on ebay and not stuf that is worthless.

It creates two things, a buyer that really has something (which he doesn't) and someday bad blood between that person and a dealer because thedealer will have to tell that guy that what he has is nothing and he should spend the coin. Ultimately, it makes the original seller look bad but the dealer that looks at the coin next will take the brunt of the results of a bad sale.

If the seller doesn't really know waht he is selling, it shouldnt just be put up on ebay just to get a few bucks. It just ain't right...
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Some fool bought one for $16.50?
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I also read somewhere..can't recall this minute- that the coins might get jammed in the edge machine and they next coin that hits it and pushes it out can hit it with enough force to imprint the edge letters on the jammed coin.
I have several of these type of coins since I live in an area that had the Adams errors I looked at ALOT of them. The difference is that the extra letters or numbers are not incuse, at least not on any I have seen.
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I don't understand, why people are paying so much money for any(no matter how small or how fake it is) presidential error? It makes no sense to me. I think it would more sense to try to get them in a high grade, since the quality is low on them already from the mint.
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