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Is This PVC Leakage?

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This is from an old Harco album from around 1990. I had Lincoln cents in it for over 20 years with no issues but decided to move them to a Dansco. Because I like the Harco design though, I still want to use it to house another set of coins. I've read that some versions have PVC and some do not. These slides are brittle while the master page they go in is soft so I'm thinking they are non PVC but I'm not sure what this film is in some of the pockets. Please see the middle pouch- it looks wet between the plastic but it's dry to the touch. Is this PVC leakage? I'm not sure and wondering if some of the experts on this can chime in. I don't want to use it if it's not ok for storage but don't not want to use it if it's safe. Thanks in advance.


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 Posted 10/26/2014  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatchaser140 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There is PVC here. But it's not in the bubbles on the middle pouch. See the discolored circles on the slides? That's PVC.
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Thanks Mike. The circles in the adjacent pockets (if that's what you mean) are from the Lincoln cents I had in this album for 20+ years. The cents are all ok with no residue, I thought the circles were just left due to indentation from the coin and/or scratches from the rim of the coin. Wouldn't they be green if it was PVC? The pocket in the middle never had a coin in it. Sorry for dumb questions, I'm not an expert here. Thanks for your help.
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 Posted 10/26/2014  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If the slides or the coins smell like a shower curtain there is PVC present.
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 Posted 10/27/2014  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sounds like PVC to me.

The wet you are seeing is likely the plasticizer (the softening agent) off gassing from the PVC. On the inside it has nowhere to go so it condenses and you see like a wet film. As the PVC ages it loses plasticizer and becomes more brittle.


To test it you would need to destroy one.

If a piece of the plastic floats in water, it is not PVC. Make sure it isn't an air bubble floating it either. If it sinks, it may be PVC.

If it sinks, you will need to light it on fire. If you get a green tint to the flame, that shows the chlorine and proves it is PVC. You will also get a horrible smell of hydrochloric acid. It is offensive.


The shower curtain smell test works too if you know that smell. That smell is the plasticizer off gassing. It used to be the original new car smell, but we fixed that with low volatility plasticizers. Then people complained about missing the new car smell so now it is put back in as an additive, but it isn't the same plasticizer smell, still using the low volatility as it reduces fogging on the windshield in cars.
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Thanks for the info. The slides don't smell of shower curtain but the one I put in water didn't really float or sink, and that was with pushing the air bubbles out. I'll try to light one on fire later this week when I have a chance.
The reason for using this is that I need to customize the holder to hold a set of coins I've put together and since you can print out strips of paper with the coin info and put them into the bottom of the individual sleeves I was hoping to use this. I can't really customize a dansco or gardmaster the way I can with this
Thanks again.
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 Posted 10/28/2014  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kevro22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So I lit one of these slides on fire this morning and I didn't see any green tint to the flame, on the contrary it was bright orange. The slide burned black and dripped away for the most part and there was no offensive smell, just the smell of plastic burning. If there is some PVC in here it appears to be very little. Thoughts? Like I mention above Id like to use this because I can easily customize it and save some $ on buying a new album but don't want to use it if it's definitely PVC. I had a Lincoln set in here for 20+ years with no apparent issue to any of those coins. Thanks for the help here I really appreciate the expert opinions.
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I think that you did your homework very well and seem that there is no PVC present. Good job.
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If you left any coins in those for that long and no damage, no PVC.
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If the melt is dripping, it is not PVC. The green tint is tough to see. The awful smell of hydrochloric acid is easy to detect however.

Nice lab work Kev.
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 Posted 10/29/2014  6:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kevro22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it certainly just dripped away when it burned and there was no offensive smell. How would it have melted if it had PVC in it?

Thanks everyone for the expert opinions and direction here. I feel pretty comfortable that there's no PVC in these or at least not enough to cause any damage. I'll give them a try and keep an eye on the coins.

Thanks again!
Kevin
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If it had been PVC it would have charred. You would have had a very brittle ashy char.
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