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Weight Issues Etc. With A $5 And $10 Gold Liberty.

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 Posted 10/27/2014  10:15 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add schism206 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Greetings,
I'm new to the forum and somewhat new to collecting. I had a question concerning the weight of coins and how much room there is for leeway in regards to the official weight.

I checked out a few local coins from Craigslist, the ones mentioned in the subject, dates 1880 for the $5 and 1898s for the $10. I personally have a $10 Liberty which is slabbed so I was using that as a reference, and also brought a scale.

First off, this gentleman's $10 liberty was a bit strange looking compared to mine. It was cleaner, brighter color, but the details were somewhat "mushier" if that makes sense. Sorry I cannot post a picture. It was loose and not slabbed, but looked cleaner than my coin, and I guess "prettier", but not in an organic way. I'm not super experienced and don't expect a handled coin to look like an Ms61 graded coin, but I guess I'm just wondering if those are possible signs of cleaning. The man said it had not been cleaned.

But the most important issue was the weight. I weighed them and they were 16.33g for the $10 and 7.96g for the $5. The official weights should be 16.718g and 8.359g respectively according to my research. This is a difference of roughly .5 grams per coin.

Is this a normal amount for coins to be off? The guy told me the scale was skewed and cheap, but then I weighed a US quarter and dime, and they weighed 5.60g and 2.23 grams respectively, which is under the official weight, but well within .1g. I also weighed more regular dimes, nickels, quarters when I got home and they were all a little under, but again nothing equal to or more than .1g difference.

Also, mine was not an "s", and his was. I saw that it means SF mint, but what does that mean in contrast to one that isn't an "s" in terms of value?

Would coin cleaning have a corroding effect and drop weight, or being excessively handled cause that much of a drop in weight, or is there something off concerning about .45 to .5g difference and it could be a fake? He was selling them near melt value so I wasn't as worried about numismatic issues or cleaning, as I am still inexperienced in grading, but the weight issue weirded me out because I wasn't sure so I declined.

Any insight would be helpful, thank you.
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 Posted 10/27/2014  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add harrison2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mushy details = fake
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10/27/2014 12:20 pm
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 Posted 10/27/2014  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The weight appear to be WAY off.

IMO if you are going to spend that much money the coins should be slabbed by a reputable TPG.
Things are chancy on ebay, but compared to Craigslist ebay is highly dependable.
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 Posted 10/27/2014  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jhp2104 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the above. The weight makes me question the authenticity of the coins.
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 Posted 10/27/2014  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They could be fakes. The weights are under the level of tolerance.
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 Posted 10/27/2014  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schism206 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for the replies. I had the feeling something was wrong, I just wanted some more insight from more educated collectors. Can anyone tell me what is a dependable weight variance +/- from the "official" weights of coins?
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 Posted 10/28/2014  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The mint tolerance for gold coins was very tight. For new coins for those issues they were 8.359 grams +/- .016 grams for the half eagle and 16.718 grams +/- .032 grams for the eagle.

Those coins would have had to be seriously worn to be that far off.

As an aside gold coins worn more than 3 to 5% were typically redeemed and recoined.
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10/28/2014 10:03 am
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 Posted 10/28/2014  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They sound like fakes to me.

I would avoid the sale!
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