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Help With Swiss/German Bracteate

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 Posted 11/13/2014  05:00 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add stealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all,

I am new here and I was wondering if anybody here could assist me in attributing a Swiss/German bracteate.

Also, any help with grading/valuation with this coin would be much appreciated as well.

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Thanks in advance.
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11/13/2014 05:01 am
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 Posted 11/13/2014  06:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Welcome to the forum.

I am afraid that I am unable to help you with your enquiry, this time, but I will take the time to bid you welcome.
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 Posted 11/13/2014  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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This is an interesting type that I know very little about. There really isn't much information about them on the internet either. Hopefully with some more checking I can find the coin. Hopefully some one will come up with the answer for you.
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 Posted 11/13/2014  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Hope you are lucky and someone here recognises your bracteate. As 'echizento' stated, there is not much information on the internet, except for some auction catalogues and museum inventories. And even in those museum inventories many bracteates are just described as 'Germany 1200-1500' or similar.
The design on yours is not very helpful except that it might likely have been minted by a religious institution.

As per grade/price:
Grade would be VF in my opinion (seems it could use an acetone bath).
If it cannot be clearly attributed it would be around $20 to $30.
If it is a common type, then around the $100 mark.
If it is rare and desirable ... the sky is the limit.
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 Posted 11/13/2014  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all for the welcomes and responses. Medieval, is there anyone I can contact to get a reliable attribution? I know it most likely falls into the generic/common column but it would be nice to possibly narrow down the mintage years.
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One museum which has an extensive collection of bracteates is:

http://www.hannover.de/Kultur-Freiz...gust-Kestner

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 Posted 11/13/2014  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another option would be to contact an auction house which does have a relevant specialist on it's staff, one I can think off would be:

Fritz Rudolf Künker GmbH & Co. KG

https://www.kuenker.de/en
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I can't help you either, but welcome to the forum. I hope that you stick around and let us know how you get on. I haven't seen these sorts of coins before and would like to know a bit more.
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 Posted 11/13/2014  6:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin sparked my interest in this type. I spent time going through my data base of this coin type but didn't have any luck.
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I think you're on the right track with Swiss. This bracteate seems to feature the Agnus Dei (Lamb of God). There should be a forked pennant above the lamb, flying from a cruciform staff; this rendering seems to have replaced it with a simple cross, but the forefoot of the lamb still looks to be cocked in the position of holding the staff that should be there. Silver bracteates featuring the Agnus Dei were the specialty of the Abbey of St Gallen, in Switzerland, in the late 13th century.
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Nice 'philadelphian', based on that I had a quick check vs St.Gallen Brakteat and came across an auction catalogue from Kuenker which has a few of those. The standard St.Gallen design has the lamb standing left but there is also one with the ram standing right.
The description for that one is:

2456 Brakteat ~1300-1400(?) (Schaffhausen?) 'Ram (two horns) r. with cross' ...
So called Rampfennig ... Schaffhausen counterfeit?


(No worries 'stealer' it's more valuable than the original.)

Google for "Rampfennig" and the reference should come up within an eBook from the Kuenker Auktion 130, so you compare the picture there to the one in the op.
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 Posted 11/13/2014  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stealer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the help guys, I really appreciate it. Medieval, I will give it a shot emailing the links you provided me. As for the Rampfenning, it does look quite similar in design, and I have seen quite a few with the object above the lamb/ram that is obviously a cross, but I have yet to find one that has the 4 sides of equal length. As I understand it, the square brakteates were issued after the circular ones were.

Also a little bit about myself, I am a US coin collector (specifically Trade dollars) and I acquired this bracteate some years ago during some young numismatist event hosted by the ANA where there were a lot of world/ancient coins we could choose from and I ended up choosing this piece.

I mostly post on the PCGS forums, and I posted about this piece there but only garnered enough information to conclude that it was most likely Swiss, so I decided to bring it here in hopes that someone here could fill me in on more, and I was right!
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 Posted 11/14/2014  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
As I understand it, the square brakteates were issued after the circular ones were.


Not really, it was more a regional issue what type of 'planchet' was used - also some were clipped resulting in a different form.

Btw, found another potential target you might shoot an e-mail at if you have no success with the others:

http://www.historisches-museum.fran...=224&clang=0

You only need to fill in the 'Name' and 'E-Mail' fields and your message in 'Ihre Nachricht'. Take the tick off the following field else they will regularly send you stuff, when you finished press the 'Senden' button.
Specify that it should go to Frank Berger, he wrote the catalogue of the bracteates in the previously mentioned museum in Hannover and is now curator in this place.
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 Posted 11/14/2014  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


what a cool coin, I've never seen one of the type before. I couldn't figure out what the reverse was...but it's the obverse impression...neat.
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