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Coins With Two 'Obverses'

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(Most) everyone here knows about the Vabalathus/Aurelian coins, where one can dispute which side should be considered the obverse. Here is one of them:


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Billon Tetradrachm Year 4 / Year 1 (270/1) Vabalathus / Aurelian - Milne#4308+

Note: I do know that most catalogues have the Aurelian side as the obverse but what would the local people in Vabalathus's realm have considered it?

There are other coins out there which have one ruler on one side and another on the other, please post yours. (Take note that those coins could be posted twice in the 'alphabetic' topic.)
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 Posted 11/14/2014  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chuy1530 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess the double obverse was a common enough motif in those Roman Tets because I have two Neros that have that feature as well. Here's one of them (the better one, despite how worn it is.)

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I suppose if I had to pick I'd put the emperor on the obverse, but like you said the native population would probably have the opposite view.
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Cimmerian Bosporus is another good candidate - I'd love to see some if anybody has got any to show off!
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one of each...

Rhoemetalkes I and Octavian Augustus

11 BC - 12 AD
AE19
Obv: BASILEWS ROIMHTALKOY, diademed head of Rhoemetalkes right
Rev: KAISAROS SEBASTOY, bare head of Augustus right
Ref: BMC 7-9?
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Dynamic Duo

Trajan and Hercules..

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Ok so I haven't quite made it to bed yet

I am yet to find a proper reference for this one:

Bosporos AE19. 6.8g. Struck under Constantine I and Rhescuporis V.

Obv. Bust of Rhescuporis V r.
Rev. bust of Constantine I r.

Uncertain reference and legend.


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and one for the "good guys"...



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Please guys (and girls) put some information with those lesser known coins. Here another one:


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AE 24 from Abgar X (242-244), Kingdom of Osrhoene (also known as Mesopotamia-Edessa)

Side 1: Bust of Agbar X wearing tiara, star behind, around ABGAROC BACILEVS
Side 2: Radiate and cuirassed of Gordian III, around AVTOK K M ANT [GORDI]ANOS SEB

Here a map which shows were Osrhoene fits in:

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Osrhoene was a historical kingdom located in upper Mesopotamia, which enjoyed semi-autonomy to complete independence from the years of 132 BC to AD 244. The independence of the state ended in 244 when it was incorporated in the Roman Empire.


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this is the only coin I have with a ruler on both sides...

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byzantine, 9th century
leo the v (1st pic?)and constantine v (2nd pic?)...I'm not totally sure to be honest.
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Absolutely loving the Bosporuses, AncientNoob and Valecrucis!

Those portraits are so distinctively rendered in that weird style that becomes more and more abstracted over the years. Your two coins truly portrait the two extremes - an early coin with a very Roman style, and a later coin with an extremely abstract style.

Keep 'em coming guys!
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This is one of the first coins I got:

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The female side is Roma, turreted and draped; The male side represents the Roman Senate. It was minted at Pergamum. This is how I learnt to not clean with acid...

I have got a Vabalathus somewhere. I assume Vabalathus is the obverse - he issued them, after all.
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