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Sweden 1858 2 Ore--What's Wrong With The Date +ddo?

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 Posted 11/26/2014  8:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Hummingbird to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Wondering about the date. Is "GOTH" a double die? THANKS

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 Posted 11/26/2014  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have several 1858 2 Ore coins with either repunchings or overdates (1858/7 and 1858/57) The overdates have a nice premium in higher grades.
I cannot tell for sure what's going on with the date on yours. The legend could be recut or a doubled die.
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 Posted 11/27/2014  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hummingbird to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks DV, your input is appreciated. As one can see, this coin is not in a high grade. Hoping for more input as to the date. Any other examples out there that compare to this date? Thanks in advance.
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 Posted 11/27/2014  2:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Hoping for more input as to the date." Me too--the high position on the last "8" is interesting.
I'm hardly an expert on these coins, but I probably have one of the larger collections of Sweden overdates here on CCF.
The sad truth is...with that degree of wear, you might never know what's happening to the date. Unless of course, we can find a match in a higher grade.
I don't think I have a match--but I'll look around. One thing that's really helped me when studying overdates...is to take shots from several lighting angles.
Below is a closeup of the date on a 1 Ore 1858/7 and 5 Ore--I'll look for my 2 Ore. All the 58/7 overdates I've seen show the left corner of the "7" poking out from the "8".
Often you will also see the 7's top stroke and the diagonal stroke underneath the "8". These are fairly common--and you'll probably find more if you search shows, ebay, etc.

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And sometimes, even with a clear enough date, it's not certain there's an overdate, repounched, or just a die chip. For example, the coin below has a rather straight bar inside the top loop of the 8. It might be an 8/7, but as no other parts of the "7" are visible, that's just a guess.

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 Posted 11/28/2014  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hummingbird to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DV, thank you once again. You put a lot of time in preparing these wonderful pictures of comparison and it is much appreciated. I will take some more shots as you described, with different lighting angles.

Re the third date down, is that from a different coin or an entirely different style on the 1858 2 Ore? That style is pleasing to the eye.
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 Posted 11/28/2014  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks...it wasn't much work because I had the photos on hand.
The coin you're referring to is a 5 Ã-re. It's a much larger date, so I guess they could use fancier digits.
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