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Valued Member
Sweden
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Hi, Can anyone identify this token? It looks like text is NUTUS SED CCECUS and VNL PATEO. Weight 8.10 gram. Diameter 32 mm.   |
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Pillar of the Community
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Can't really help much, but my reading would be MVTUS SED NON COECUS.
Might be some sort of 'brothel token'.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Might be some sort of 'brothel token'.
No such item all are fantasy type tokens. Services were and always will be hard currency of the realm! Translations are wildly different depending on what you put in Nutus sed ccecus or non ccecus or the Mutus. something to do with the blind, movement. One side looks to be a rendition of cupid the other is to curded up. Metal looks like aluminum |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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MVTUS SED NON COECUS : Blind, but not stupid PUTIO : uncircumcision.... so brothel token may be correct or something to do with the two Babylons? (see link beolw) Second picture: see fig 40 in http://www.sa-hebroots.com/2babylons.htm |
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Pillar of the Community
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No such item all are fantasy type tokens. Services were and always will be hard currency of the realm!
History disagrees with you. While most of the modern so called 'brothel tokens' are phantasy issues, genuine ones have been produced throughout history. Since many of the relevant links are not suitable for this site, I will refrain from going into details. |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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To me it looks like PUTEO. = Beer
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The listing of one on Polish ebay by Lanz Numismatik of Munich only adds that is tin, from the Holy Roman Empire, and dates from circa 1700. And the reverse legend reads VNI PATEO. |
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2490 Posts |
If it is VNI, then it must be followed by a noun, and I cannot think of any Latin noun taking the form of PATEO.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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From "Das Laufferische Medaillen-Cabinet," (1742) by Caspar Gottlieb Lauffer:  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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So, for this "love token," the cupids illustrate the legends: The "mute" cupid has a gag tied around its mouth. The reverse cupid holds a lock and a key. I believe the legend is a slightly phallic expression of devotion and faithfulness:
For one, I am open...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Found an earlier depiction of the obverse device and legend in Oculum animumque delectans emblematum repositorium, of Johann Chrstoph Weigel (1661-1726). Emblem books like this, popular in the 16th to 18th centuries, were filled with woodcut images, each paired with a Latin legend to make a simple moral statement or lesson. Here, Love is dumb, but not blind:   This may not be the original source, though, as I see several emblems in this book lifted straight from Symbolorum ac emblematum ethico-politicorum by Joachim Camerarius in 1597. This one may also have been copied from elsewhere. Edited by philadelphian
12/01/2014 2:02 pm
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Valued Member
 Sweden
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Hi,
Thanks all for putting so much effort on this token! If find more information, please let me know!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
937 Posts |
Dumb as is Mute. Not as in stupid
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Posted 11/29/2014 5:47 pm
