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Identification Of Centaur Please?

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I have looked and looked and got absolutely nowhere with this coin. The reverse looks like a centaur to me, I can't see anything else that it could be.

Does anyone have any bright ideas?

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 Posted 12/02/2014  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks likely to be a centaur, but there are some other (mainly maritime) creatures which look similar, eg Scylla or Glaucos.
But I would focus on the obverse first, not that many coins where the portrait is above a cescent. Seems there are traces of the legend visible, anything you can read from by twisting and turning?
Greek Imperial? (That was my first impression.)
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I have looked at mainly female busts over a crescent, and again came up empty. I can't make out any of the legend no matter which way I turn it.

Neither Skylla or Glaucos had horsey type rear ends so far as I can tell. Definitely looks horsey on my coin.
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Curious. Maybe its not Greek. Maybe its a badly corroded Artaqid figurative bronze. Just a guess, but it might be worth exploring.
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Two other considerations:
- could it be two horsemen?
- double/overstrike?
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 Posted 12/02/2014  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. Don't know anything about Artaqid, google can't find anything.
Medieval, that just about finishes me off!! I have no idea where to go from here.
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 Posted 12/02/2014  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pish there are several spellings....


Try this...

artuquids
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Thanks Noob, well past my bedtime, I will have a good look tomorrow.
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P.P. - I can't see a Centaur.

If the photo is the right way up, I think I see two combatants in close proximity to each other, - but what do I know?
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what's the size pish?

I don't see a centaur either, but I don't know what I see on that reverse. I would be surprised if it were artuquid, I would guess some type of roman provincial.
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 Posted 12/03/2014  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. Promising that some cannot see the centaur. I don't want to identify the outline because one seen, you can't "un-see" it.
Measurements will have to wait as I have mislaid the coin!!! I will come back to this thread when I find it :(
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 Posted 12/03/2014  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found it in the first place I had looked. I am having one of those days...

4.27g 16mm
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 Posted 12/07/2014  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Hi pishpash,

When I first saw your coin I thought the obv. looked Iberian and I did see a centaur on the rev.

I looked in Bugos and SNG.org, but nothing , today I was thumbing through pictures in my A. Heiss book and saw this coin (drawing) which is catagorized as:

Indigetes, Emporiae, Imitations Gauloises (Gaul)

Although not the same coin, and the Heiss example is silver, there are some interesting similarities.

This maybe way out in left field, but I thought I'd tell you anyway.

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 Posted 12/07/2014  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much. It is certainly something to go on. I have a couple of coins that are only listed in silver, and I have bronze examples. It gives me a new direction to go in.
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 Posted 12/09/2014  02:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Topcat7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
O.K.!

NOW I see the Centaur of which you speak, but what is the large square (or rectangle) in the air above the beast's rump?

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 Posted 12/09/2014  04:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TC I wish I knew!
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