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Removing Surface Spots From Gold Plated Bars

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Thanks jbuck, that helps a lot.

I guess my first question is about a set of gold plated silver bars. When I got them home and took a good look at them. They had a film and some tiny red spots on the surface.
I read that you can use dawn and water to wash them without any damage. I did so and the film came off, but not the spots.
Is there any thing that I can do?

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 Posted 12/09/2014  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I split this out from your welcome post to get more attention to your question.
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Thanks again jbuck!

A little background information...
1974 Hamilton mint, 38 piece presidential bars,gold plated-.999 silver. #0096/5000.
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Those are probably oxidation spots from the oxidizing copper underneath. Unfortunately, it it's really oxidation, it would be hard, if not impossible to remove. Basically, at that location, the gold has not only rubbed away, but the copper has also started to corrode.
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I am new to this game, so don't take what I say wrong... I realize we posted at the same time.

Is there copper in 999 fine silver?
Does silver oxidize in the same way?

I know the full history of these bars. I can remember running out to the mailbox each month to see if we received a set of 2 or 2 sets of 2. Then carefully, with gloves, removing them and gently putting them in place.
I know that handling was kept to a minimum back then. And for the last 20 years (if not 30) they haven't even seen the light of day.

Could the case that they are in have something to do with it?

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Try acetone. It can't hurt. If you like the appearance and assuming these are not worth more than the precious metal value, you can always just re-plate them as a last resort.
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I did not even notice your bars were silver! By my (often flawed) intuition, I thought gold plated meant copper underneath, as it is on most bars. This is because silver is a beautiful metal on itself (right on par in terms of eye appeal with gold IMO).
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Try acetone. It can't hurt. If you like the appearance and assuming these are not worth more than the precious metal value, you can always just re-plate them as a last resort.


Okay, I'll try that. Is there a certain process,or protocol,that I should follow? Or do you just dip and dry?

So, are you trying to tell me that they have more sedimental value than as a collector item?
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This is because silver is a beautiful metal on itself (right on par in terms of eye appeal with gold IMO).



I hear you there, that shiny stuff is so alluring. Gold or silver, either way. lol
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Crosseyed, I do like your collection of bars. They look very nice in their case. I'd be careful doing an acetone bath, especially with the drying part. Let one of the more experienced members, like jbuck or someone address the issue. It's usually not advisable to clean coins. Drying is important, as scratches can be left by a drying cloth. Search some of the topics on cleaning.
I hope you enjoy your time on the forum and learn from the vast amount of expertise here. It's a good group, with friendly and knowledgable members.
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I can't make out any spots in your pic, other than 2 or 3 on the edge.
Those may be just the silver toning through a hole in the plating.

If not, you can try burning them off:

http://forum.singaporegoldsilver.co...live-session

But you might use up a whole fill of the lighter doing them all...I would probably try it with just one, out of curiosity.

edit: and yeah..if you do something, do it to the one you like the least first.
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I wouldn't put any heat near them, it could cause worse problems. You've got to be very careful with collector coins!! It doesn't take much mishandling to ruin the value. These aren't coins you've taken out of circulation and can get another for face value.
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If the plating isn't broken a rinse in nitric acid would probably do the trick. The acid won't react with the gold and it should take care of the spots. If the plating IS broken though, it could be bad.
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pocket change 50:Crosseyed, I do like your collection of bars. They look very nice in their case. I'd be careful doing an acetone bath, especially with the drying part. Let one of the more experienced members, like jbuck or someone address the issue. It's usually not advisable to clean coins. Drying is important, as scratches can be left by a drying cloth. Search some of the topics on cleaning.
I hope you enjoy your time on the forum and learn from the vast amount of expertise here. It's a good group, with friendly and knowledgable members.

Thanks pocket change, I'll keep that in mind. I'm not in any hurry and I want to find out as much as I can before I do much if anything. And I am finding out I don't know a whole lot. But I'm having fun learning.
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bungle: I can't make out any spots in your pic, other than 2 or 3 on the edge.
Those may be just the silver toning through a hole in the plating.

If not, you can try burning them off:


Getting a good picture is proving to be difficult at best. I don't have much in the way of cameras, just a point and shoot, and a phone camera.I have been reading in the photo forum and I have some ideas that may help.
I'm afraid that if I use heat it will discolor the surface.
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I wouldn't put any heat near them, it could cause worse problems. You've got to be very careful with collector coins!! It doesn't take much mishandling to ruin the value. These aren't coins you've taken out of circulation and can get another for face value.

I agree,but it's not that I know any better.
Yah, I can't go buy another one. They are all marked on the side HM 24KT EGP. Number 96 of a possible 5000.
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