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pick up a couple of coins that aren't going to break any hearts, but pretty interesting.

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caracalla
serdica, thrace
211-217 AD
o:caracalla right
r: eros (or genius?) riding dolphin
anyone know what the legends are?
moushmov 4850
18mm
3.4 g

and this mauryan square punchmarkambob.

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Mauryan Empire
Ashoka The Great
272-232 BC
15x13mm
3.3g
Ujjain mint.
Gupta/Hardaker ISPC VII II B 23

wanted one of these from the era of ashoka, and wanted one with the "the ladies" punchmark. here are the punches on this coin by the way..




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Interesting coins.

Can't recall where, but I saw a complete listing of Moushmov (no pictures) on a website some time ago.
Sear(GIC) doesn't list your coin or a similar type.

Is there a good online references for the punchmarks?
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thanks med!
no, there isn't really a good online source. a few guys have some stuff, I figured out my attribution from a seller called ancient coins canada. not where I got this coin, but I have purchased several from them.
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Found one list of Moushmov, on Wildwinds http://wildwinds.com/moushmov/serdica.html ,
at 4850 it links through to a plate.
Unfortunately the full legend is not given and judging by the image yours would be Moushmov#4850var (the inscription below the dolphin is different), just as the coin listed by vcoins http://www.vcoins.com/fr/stores/anc...Default.aspx
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Love the reverse on the Caracalla. I have one Ashoka but have been planning on getting more. I find these early punched marked coins very interesting.
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For a full attribution you might have to get hold of a copy of Ivan Varbanov's second volume on Thrace (*) - hope you can find it in a library or at a coin dealer.

(*)
GREEK IMPERIAL COINS
and their values
vol. III
Thrace (from Perinthus to Topirus) Chersonesos Thraciae. Insula Thraciae. Macedonia

There are other references from Bulgaria (including one just for Serdica, but unfortunately in Bulgarian) http://booksfrombulgaria.com/COINS/coins.htm#4
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Was googling for "Caracalla Eros on Dolphin Coin" and from what I found it seems your coin is not from Serdica.

Have a look at http://eroscoin.blogspot.com.au/201...dolphin.html

Your coin is most likely from either Hadrianopolis or Trajanopolis.


ADRIANOPOLEITWN or TRAIANOPOLEITWN seems to be the legend on your reverse, the OPOLEITWN is quite clear.
Windwinds has examples of both, different legend arrangement on the Hadrianopolis one (but see the comment in the link above).

My bet would be on Trajanopolis though, there seems to be a T at 8 o'clock which could be the start of the legend (and the picture for Trajanopolis in the link seems to be a good match).
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thanks ski and med,
yeah, I think I'm going to have a hard time figuring those legends out. I think one of your members you hasn't been checked in a for a while (masis), has the vabonov books. he has bailed me out before. if you see this give me a shout out m!
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I have a couple of silver punchmarked ingots such as these, but I have no method of confirming the dealer's attributions.

I would have bought the Serdican piece for a bargain price without any attribution, but given enough patience and time, I think I could have fully identified it. If not, I would have taken it to one of my friends who has been dealing in ancients for most of his life; he has excellent book references to help him.

I don't like 'egg on face' with a failed id however, so a year or more would have had to elapse, before giving in. Then I would HAVE to buy him a beer!
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sorry med, I didn't see your post. you are absolutely correct, it is trajainopolis. plain as day now that it is pointed out to me...thank you!
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I am in it for the punchmark. Thats phat! One for each of the ladies in your life?
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