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 Posted 12/20/2014  9:47 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dinosaurocker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

Hello all, appreciate confirmation on identification. I dug this up today while metal detecting in early 1900's dump site. Based on earlier posts and pictures from this forum I'm assuming it is Kwangtung struck KM/Y# 190 ?

I was going to simply to tack on to the below post from 2008 but it is closed.

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=36389

Thanks for any information, and appreciate the photos/information here.

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 Posted 12/20/2014  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a modern 'tourist' copy - not cast but mass milled.

Let me add
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 Posted 12/20/2014  10:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dinosaurocker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So a tourist 'trinket' in other words . . .

Thanks for reply !
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 Posted 12/20/2014  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not necessarily, you were right that it might be Y#190 - with the dirt on it, it is difficult to differentiate.
Btw, even the modern copies are bought by people as good luck charms - not that either is very valuable.

Postscript:

Clean it up, if it has a smooth surface it should be Y#190 - modern copies are made with a grainy surface to imitate the cast ones.
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 Posted 12/20/2014  11:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dinosaurocker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again, I will clean it up a bit.

I have a sense it might be 'real' as I found another chinese coin in same area a few days ago (so worn you can't read what I think is Ten Cash under dragon).

Many hours detecting . . a total of 4 coins, 2 wheat pennies, and these 2 Chinese coins (as well as several trade tokens). Curious to me, why there would be as many Chinese coins here as US currency (Great Plains, Colorado).



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 Posted 12/20/2014  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I am right, I can read Hu-peh Province on it, so it should be any of the many Y#120x 10 Cash coins.

Have a look at the history of the place. Was there a railway built early last century? Or any other activity which might have attracted Chinese migrants, especially after the 1911 revolution?
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 Posted 12/26/2014  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UncleLuc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reason there is just as much chinese currency as U.S is because in the early 19th century, chinese immigrants were allowed to enter the U.S as well as Canadian plains for mining, as well as to help build the canadian pacific railroad. The population increased for years until 1882 when an immigration ban (exclusion) was placed on the chinese people, stopping more from comming over. This naturally caused the population to decrease because most of the immigrants currently allowed in the country were men. Then in the 1940's, the Chinese exclusion was lifted, and 1960's reform in both countries caused a wave of labourers to return in order to work. All along the plains of both countries lived miners and rail workers, building communities, one of which was in great plains colorodo. Inside these communities chinese currency was traded amongst others for goods and services, and in highly populated areas, chinese currency was more predominant than U.S. I beleive that is why there would be heavy chinese currency deposits in great plains, as well as all over the western plains in Canada and the U.S...keep on diggin!

hope this helps...
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 Posted 12/26/2014  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UncleLuc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do not believe either coins were made for tourists as it is very likely to find such coins in that area. I think you just stumbled upon someones lost change! Great find!
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Sorry, forgot to mention that I think the date is pre-1900, based on the history of the area.
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 Posted 12/27/2014  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MiniMel17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found this coin while counting how much money was in my piggy bank. Is this real or a copy? What year is this?

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I'm quite sure that's a copy. A common tell-tale sign is "grains" on the field to make it look rough, because real ones were cast and had that rough look.
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Now THAT appears to be a modern reproduction. Based on the average age of these coins, yours should be much more worn. Also, note the differences between the two metals...one is clearly cast while the other is milled. Seek a professionals opinion to validate my theory as I am in no way one.
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 Posted 12/27/2014  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UncleLuc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also to DINO, I saw you mention "cleaning it up a bit"...please dont do this just so we can have better pics...you are basically washing the history off the coin and is not worth our opinions.
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 Posted 08/26/2015  01:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dinosaurocker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
UncleLuc - sorry I didn't check back to see your posts, many thanks for this information assuming you're still around.

Update on this early 20th century dump site in rural southeastern Colorado . . . now 4 wheat pennies, and 3 Chinese coins - another with square hole. I'm convinced these are authentic lost change as they are mixed in with a bottle dump, Model T Ford parts, etc . . . . When I started this, didn't imagine I would find more foreign currency than American . . . still no silver coins at all, lots of trinkets and tokens of various sorts (sales tax token, rail, general stores).
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3rd Chinese coin - early 20th century dump site, southeastern Colorado

Obviously I'm being too aggressive in removing corrosion from coin, but when found they are barely recognizable. I couldn't even determine a coin for sure until cleaned somewhat. Very short vinegar bath and fingernail, but I can see even with my fingernail I scratched the surface pretty significantly because of hardness of clinging grit.

What should I be doing with these to clean them to a point they are recognizable?

And, are they worth anything anyway. I'm entertained like crazy just from the historical perspective and don't really care about value, as I imagine they are not worth much.

Thanks for thoughts, Dino
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That last one is a Kang Xi Tong Bao, pruduced from 1662 to 1722 under the rule of Emperor Sheng Zu. These cash coins are not worth a lot ($2-3), but its history (especially this one, given where you found it) is far more valuable. Where there any railroads nearby? I know that Chinese laborers where used by the thousands to help build the US railroad system. That may be how it got all the way to Colorado.
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