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Valued Member
United States
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I mentioned this in the Bill Forum, but at that time I didn't have a camera to post an image. Well, now I do and this was the first thing I was really interested in knowing about. Here are the links to see the whole front and back of the bill. The back isn't the problem but I thought I'd include it anyway. http://www.ethereal.net/~magusxxx/g...or/front.jpghttp://www.ethereal.net/~magusxxx/g...ror/back.jpgThe problem with the front is that a lot of the etching is missing. You'll note the outline is all there so I didn't think this was a fading issue. The only touch up I did to the images was to sharpen them. Take any bill and make the comparison for yourself. The close-up of George is particularly interesting when you consider he looks like Frank Burns trying to hide is lower lip.  I saw in a book about bill errors that this was a particularly bad year for the mint. Seems there were a lot which had missing ink on them. They also mentioned that errors on the entire front were particularly rare. But the only examples I saw were ones where the entire bill was missing part of the image. And not just part of the etching.     |
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United States
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Wish TY was here he could tell what it is !
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United States
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I am not a bill collector so am not sure whats up with your bill. But if the book you read said "that this was a particularly bad year for the mint." then you need a new book..the mint doesn't print bills and the "Date" on a bill is really a series number and only really tells you when the start date of the series was. They don't change the date on bills every year like on coins. They only change the series number when there is a change to the bill design or elements on the bill such as a new "Secretary of the Treasury". A change in the "Treasurer of the United States " causes a letter change under the series date. At least thats the way I understand it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The paper does not look right usually with what you are showing me , I would lean towards the idea of counterfeit. I am buy no means an expert
Here is what my book says. (an Official Whitman Guidebook United States Currency 3rd edition)
" One a genuine note the portrait is life like and stands out distinctly. magnification will show hairlines to be sharp and distinct. Points on Spiked seals are sharp and even. scalloped seals and round Seals have well defined outlines."
"On a counterfeit Note the portrait is lifeless and background probably too dark. Criss-crossed fine lines are not clear or uniform. points on spiked seals are uneven, blunt or broken. Scalloped seals and round seals usually have thick sloppy outlines. The paper has no colored threads, but but some counterfeits have red and blue lines simulating threads."
and they show an image similar to what you are showing . Just a thought.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Counterfeiters seldom take the time and effort to fake dollar bills. Not enough reward, and the risk of jail is just the same. That doesn't mean that someone out there wasn't making bogus bills. From your pics, it's easy to see the missing detail, though, and that is a bit odd. I don't have any reference material with me, but will check later when I have the chance. What is the series number? I can't make it out on my screen.
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree that most do not take the time, however some have because they are not so easily traced.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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They have been counterfeited overseas. It does have the look of a fake but without the bill being in front of me , its tough to be sure.
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 United States
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Jorgy: I was paraphrasing what I read after a quick glance at a bill book my coin store had. I was just trying to say that they mentioned a lot of bills from the same series had loss-of-ink-problems.
If this is bogus it is odd that the back wouldn't have errors on it as well. It's also even odder that the Florida National Bank would put it's stamp on it. *laugh*
I'm going to wait another week or so and see what others here say before taking it back into my coin shop. I'm thinking of trying to get it certified. If it is a counterfeit they'll send it back and it shouldn't cost me anything. If it is legit, then definately I think it would be worth slabbing no matter what.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I wait to hear what you find out
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think there could be two possible solutions to your questionable note.
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The note could of been printed with a poor plate (or whatever they call the inprint thingy). It is definitely not a insufficien ink error, becacuse the whole print would be weak or missing detail. But it could possible be a bad plate for printing.
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It could be a counterfeit note. The spots you show are areas that have lots of "micro printing". If someone where to make this note as a counterfiet, then I would assume they would have some trouble getting the micro printing done. Other than that, I'm not sure... Does the bill feel right when you rub it between your fingers?
Ty
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm thinking of trying to get it certified. If it is a counterfeit they'll send it back and it shouldn't cost me anything
What authenticator/grading company doesn't charge if the bill/coin is fake? |
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United States
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The bill feels exactly like it should. And if there were to be micro printing errors, wouldn't there be some on the back as well? It's odd they'd get one side right and not the other.
My understanding is if you send a coin/bill in as an error to PCGS and it isn't or it turns out ot be a fake they'll send it back to you and charge you little or nothing. Is this not correct?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I don't know, that is why I asked. I have never had that problem (atleast not yet)and I was wondering if you knew something I didn't about the TPG's |
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