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Is the coin bent or miss-shapen in any way? Does it lie flat on the table?
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the new pics that will b up shortly should end weather or not it's PMD. I belive I found die cracks in the field over the faint devices that I can only assume couldn't be PMD |
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Okay, I have a feeling the planchet could have been damaged pre-strike. The soft area on the obverse could be due to the missing or misplaced metal on the back. The obverse design can't press up full if the obverse die doesn't have even and flush resistance from the reverse die. Do you have a scale - can you weigh it?
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the center photo, if you look you can see the outline of the wreath but if you look to the left and bottom of the photo you will notice clear die crack that tells me if it's in the "valley" of the error, means it was done in the mint... anyone agree or know why I'm wrong
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the coin weighs 3.43 grams
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I just got an email from my friend Scott (who owns and sells coins/errors) He is in the same spot as us as for providing a clear answer on the coin, however he belives it was struck that way
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The second picture of the obv confirms PSD. The obv shows distortion and flattening from the impact on the reverse. |
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the second picture confirms? with all do respect Conder this is not the only site I posted this coin to, not to mention the countless people I've met face to face who held and studied the coin, and do to the fact I've got so many "experts" saying very diffrent things as well as pointing out how the one before him is wrong because....... That I confidently can say a few things. 1. No one is at all able to explain how it could have happened nor provide me with a like PSD coin. 2. I own 100's of IHC's and a few look near identical on the front, even some bearing a slight curve, yet none have the error on the reverse. 3. There are die cracks top center as well as center "between N and E in ONE, (FULLY admitting I'm no expert) but how could die cracks still be risen above the field of the coin, if infact a seemibly impossible blow to the reverse left no damage to the rim nor leaving identifying marks of what if anything hit it? 4. last but most importent, is my favorite part of using this site.... I love being right, but what keeps me looking at coins day in and day out is being wrong. But wrong while being explained why it is I am, and what facts support your claims so in the future I'm able to help the next. with that, not one reply has been with a link, or picture, or even a few quick sentences explaining why or how it is you came to your answers...... I absolutely may be wrong but please someone EXPLaIN where your answers are comming from or Why you came to it. Dont say (no offense Conder) but "The second picture confirms PSD ext" and completly ignore at all explaining why my coin looks this way.... Seriously I love any and all help but it's frustrating to get told something and still not have a clue as to what you think happened. Thank you all and I hope you get that I'm sorry if my rant came off rude but I'm comming to you guys to be Educated and share my enjoyment of coins with you. |
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As I suspected, that planchet was damaged pre-strike. Perhaps that is what Conder meant by PSD - pre-strike damage? And if I'm not mistaken the coin is heavy by .3 grams. I'll try to clarify the obverse of the coin. It isn't flattened out due to PMD, it lacks detail because of the missing metal on the reverse. Same principle as a Cud - there is a void there between the planchet and the die when it is struck. If you have a coin with a half Cud on the obverse, you will not have detail in that same area on the reverse. I was trying to explain that in a previous post. Edited by Drsandman2
12/25/2014 10:44 pm
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And this would best be classified, IMHO, as a planchet error rather than a mint error... as the mint wasn't making one cent planchets. It was contracted out to a supplier - I'd have to dig the specifics out of a book.
Great eye there EagleEye, IMHO you have a cool coin. I can see where the reverse die 'kissed' where the missing metal is on the reverse, leaving a faint outline of the letters and the metal flow in that area appears original and undamaged other than wear.
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(bowing to you sir) Thank you sooooooo much Drsandman. and my apoligys to Conder because my odd self (knowing better just tierd) read PSD as Post Struck damage darn well knowing what it meant. I also in no way really think you will feel better knowing (Drsandman) but 3 others said near identical responces to yours. |
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lol does anyone know of a possible value or means in witch I can find out
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Given the condition and that it looks so much like PMD to most people, I'd say $10-15 max. To get the most out of it, probably best to post it on ebay with very stellar macro photos of the area that is missing metal. Did you check for a RPD or MPD? |
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i googled the scarface error and gotta say although worn it matched near perfect with the mark from neck to ear as well as the mark from the eye downward.... lol and as impossible as I belive it is, please take another look at the date yourself because I see what could be a RPD. I'm going to look at the pic myself (even though I have the coin) to see if it's clear enough to show what I think I'm seeing. lol I'm going to try and edit/crop to show both and will post soon thanks so much
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Posted 12/25/2014 4:13 pm
