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Re-Engraved Vespasian

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About a year ago I sent 5 coins to NGC for grading.Two coins were rejected one because of a unstable surface and this one for a Re-engraved reverse design.The coin is 32mm and 25.2 grams with a nice green patina.Does anyone see any problems with the coin.





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It certainly looks as if the design features on the reverse have been 'enhanced' during the cleaning process.
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Unfortuately, the re engraving (tooling) of the coin itself to accentuate the detail has caused it to loose a great proportion of it's previous value. It appears that the eye of Vespasian and the lettering has also been tooled.

This coin would have been much better off left untooled. That is a pity. The die cutting of the original artist has been altered and masked by a much more modern 'artist' with less skill.
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I still think it is a nice coin not sure how much it will affect the value.The coin in hand does not look or feel tooled and has nice ledgends which look untouched based on the patina
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Unfortuately, the re engraving (tooling) of the coin itself to accentuate the detail has caused it to loose a great proportion of it's previous value. It appears that the eye of Vespasian and the lettering has also been tooled.

This coin would have been much better off left untooled. That is a pity. The die cutting of the original artist has been altered and masked by a much more modern 'artist' with less skill.




The missing green around the portrait tells the story.
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The tooling on the reverse is pretty evident though it doesn't look recent. Several hundred years ago it might have been acceptable to do this and not effect the value but now it is not.
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Some of the reverse looks to have been wheel cut to enhance it. I agree with Ron that it was done back in time when this was acceptable practice. Still a nice coin, value wise it will be lower though.
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It makes sense the reverse may have been re in graved hundreds of years ago since it has developed a nice patina over the tooling. The obverse has not been touched and has the shiny hard green patina intact. So 2 different patinas on one coin.
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He looks really sad on that coin.... I would probably buy it just for that.
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