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I recently purchased this coin that was described as
Theodosius Nummus Cyzicus Bronze Caesar 1.22 gm, 12 mm.

No further details were given, but I wanted a Theodosius so I bought it. Now I am having trouble identifying it and I am wondering if it has been mis-attributed?

Can anyone help with any inf/thoughts, please?


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 Posted 01/04/2015  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could very well be RIC#26b from Cyzicus.
With a loupe you should be able to get enough detail of the inscription to confirm it.
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Very nice coin. Hard to believe copper coins weighed over 10 grams and were 25+ mm only80 years before . What could these small Ae's even buy at the time ? Though I can't stand that Imperator you picked up a nice coin regardless of who is on it.
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Thank-you, Med. I missed that. My eyes aren't what they used to be.

I will have to stop going by the pictures and start going for the legend FIRST.
Thanks again. I would say that you are 'Spot-On'.

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Thanks A.M. I don't know why I wanted one. I think that it was the way that the name rolled off the tongue. I know very little about the man, except that he restored unity to the Roman empire that lasted some 80 (odd) years until it's fall.
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I'm seeing CNKB in the exergue, which doesn't seem to correspond with any mintmark at all (Cyzicus or not). In fact, I couldn't find any mintmark with NK in it, and these two letters are quite clear.
Could it be an unofficial issue? I'm not sure if they existed that late, but this coin definitely looks the part (though I admit it could just be from the sheer bad spelling of the Greek workers of the era).
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Poor engraving of the dies and wear have likely made SMKB look that way.
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He was a decent military man but a religious fanatic who was easily manipulated by clergy ( I am talking about you Ambrose). His costly war with Magnus Maximus and another Emperor named Eugenius basically left the Roman legions in terminal decline. And he left the Empire in the hands of the most incompetent fools he could find , his sons ! He ruled a United Roman Empire for about 4 months before he died , so no he was no great Emperor . For more on him http://www.roman-empire.net/collaps...osius-I.html
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But wasn't it the disloyalty of Magnus Maximus which drove the empire into the ground?
(I know, I know - you support the warmonger.)
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Magnus Maximus overthrew Gratian in 383 . ( reasons are that Gratian was in love with his alan (a tribe) body guards and had alienated the rest of the troops) From the historical record it seems Magnus and Theo were friends or even relatives . After Gratian was killed The Empire was split into 3 ways . Magnus was in the west except Italy (Val. II) and Theodosius was in the east. For about 5 years this uneasy peace went on until Theodosius made a tough treaty with the Sassanids . He did this to free up troops to attack Magnus. Magnus in response to the impending attack then invaded Italy and drove out Val. II this gave Theodosius his excuse and the rest is history .
That said Magnus was certainly no saint ( the execution of Priscillian) but in my humble opinion the better of the two.
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You are allowed to believe this - I have learnt never to argue history or philosophy (apart from obvious facts) on the internet.
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We agree to disagree then Med.
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Thanks a lot, guys. (Genuine). I can't wait for it to arrive.

So much history in a $3 coin. (Maybe I bought it for the price)
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Just to see if this 'loosens' up the 'works.
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