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I'm currently trying to obtain information about a man from Kingston, Tasmania, named Roger McNiece who sells on ebay under the name rogvere. He represented himself to me as a numismatist of some repute who from time to time talks on Tasmanian ABC radio about coins and medals and who travels around Tasmania purchasing private collections of coins and medals. As a result of phone communications with McNiece a few months ago, he has been for some months in possession of a coin of mine (a Victoria Cross copper coin) that is worth quite a lot of money. Initially, he was going to sell the coin on my behalf to a third party he said he knew who badly wanted to buy one and would pay a very good price for it and that he (Roger) would promptly pay the money into my account. A few days later, however, he told me that the man had decided not to buy the coin. I told Roger to hold on to it as payment in advance for coins he said he was going to send me from the collections he said he was buying regularly. However, several months have passed without further word from Roger, suggesting that he has no intention of sending me any coins. He is currently ignoring my emails and not answering my calls, a situation that has left me wondering whether I'll be able to get my coin back. He is also now listing on ebay coins of precisely the sort we had a verbal agreement that he would send me. I suspect I have been duped by a numismatic con man. As a result of the awkward predicament I find myself in, I would appreciate any information from anyone who has had dealings with Roger in the past, not least because I fear I may have to take legal action to get my coin back. Edited by jimjamtwo
01/08/2015 10:38 pm
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I know Roger and I have dealt with him in the past !
Personal attacks and vague unsubstantiated allegations removed. Suffice to say that the member is unhappy with the person in question - Sap
Edited by goldworksau
01/08/2015 10:27 am
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Valued Member
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Thanks for the information! I had a feeling that someone here would know something about him and that, depending on what I was able to find out, that the information would help me decide what to do next. I shall certainly be contacting Kingston police about this matter to see if they can pay him a call. The Victoria Cross antique finish $10 coin is a limited edition coin that is specially boxed and individually numbered, so I have that.The number of my coin is 478, so if he's sold it, and someone reading this now has the coin, please be aware that it is stolen property. For information about the coin, please take a look here: http://www.australian-threepence.co...ue-coin.htmlEdited by jimjamtwo
01/09/2015 01:38 am
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No worries, I will keep an open for the coin and ask around and see what I can come with.
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New Member
Australia
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Today Tonight might enjoy a coin story?
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Valued Member
Australia
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Possibly, but I think it would require a few more people to come forward to talk about their experiences.
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Valued Member
Australia
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Update: the police have told me that failing to honour a promise is not a criminal offence in Tasmania. I would have to see a legal practitioner about launching a civil claim. BTW I have learned from experience that there are many dodgy coin sellers on ebay - sellers who do not send you the coin whose image was used in the listings. If anyone would like to know which seller is the worst offender in this respect, please send me a message. In all other cases, the seller has claimed that he made an honest mistake and has refunded me my money. |
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Valued Member
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OK, I just saw the Life Member Taroona Fire Brigade 1996 award the same year and wondered if it had to do with emergency services.
I've contacted Tasmania Police, but have been informed by them that it's not a crime in Tasmania to not honour a promise. The way they worded their response was interesting and made me write back asking whether not returning someone's property to them when asked to do so is not a crime. It would seem to be theft, then?
Otherwise, we could all steal things by promising to pay (whether in cash or goods) afterwards and then not doing so.
I wonder how many people have been 'McNieced' over the years. It sounds like he's been in the game for a long time.
'McNieced' rhymes of course with 'fleeced.'
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01/21/2015 12:40 am
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I've mentioned this post over on ACF so it reaches a wider audience with Australian collectors.
If it doesn't get pulled (might be regarded as defamatory and therefore a legal risk) then it might get some responses. Might only be those defending him but maybe there are others who have bad experiences to relate.
I'll sit on the fence until I'm more certain either way.
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OK, some of the posters in this thread have gone too far. It is one thing to make specific complaints (and I assume the OP has more then enough evidence to back up his allegations, otherwise they are leaving themselves open for defamation action), but vague accusations, personal attacks and the posting of personal information are not acceptable, especially by new members who appear to have joined the forum just to dogpile onto this thread. The offending posts have been edited or deleted.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
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Based on a private communication from a reputable collector in Australia I won't be bidding on RNs offerings.
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I wouldn't recognise Roger McNiece if I tripped over him in the street and have had NO dealings with this particular person as far as I am aware of. I do thank the OP for the "Heads Up" and will act accordingly. It is an absolute shame that as a group we have to "Walk on Egg shells" when we identify any "Shady" individuals and have to censor our posts because of the fear of legal action that these unsavoury types are quite capable of instigating. This thread has been on the site long enough so that most of us are aware of what has happened and IMHO the entire thread should be deleted to save any "Angst" that the site/members may have to endure  |
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This is really a commercial matter between jj2 and the subject of this thread. It is their concern, and not that of the CCF. It seems that two (normally) reasonably honest parties have a problem.
The CCF should in no way be involved in this matter.
I would love to make further comment.
But I won't.
The moderators have been very tolerant so far, and should be congratulated.
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Sel, I have to disagree. The OPs post gave a very good example of a problem that he was having and it appears to be more than just a "commercial matter" and is also an ethics matter. The eggshells that Trout refers to has limited posters responses but suffice to say there are multiple people who have had unhappy dealings with the subject. Also why shouldn't CCF be involved in this matter? There are any number of posts about self slabbers, dipped coins, doctored coins, misleading ads, misappropriated images used to flog coins on ebay etc. So it is a big part of the role of the forum to educate and forewarn others so they don't make bad choices. |
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I'm glad we're on the same page, trout1105 & nealeffendi! Generally speaking, I think anyone involved in the business of buying and selling coins (or any other expensive collectible) needs to be alerted to possibly suspicious characters they may become involved with in the process. In this case, I was effectively invited to be one of Roger's resellers, but the arrangement didn't pan out. I would suggest that at the very least my case is a fair warning to others who may be asked to get involved in a business relationship of this nature regardless of the individual making the offer. I certainly didn't defame Roger, but I did ask others to share what they knew about him. Two people apparently joined the forum just to have their say on the subject. I don't think that's inappropriate. In the event, both posters said things that were rather disturbing, but were apparently based on their own personal experiences. One simply has to read such comments and make up one's own mind as to whether or not one would enter into dealings with him. This information would be useful to people in Tasmania as there's no question Roger's an important figure in the Coin World down there. By the way, Roger finally contacted me about a week ago. He wrote that he had sold the coin and would pay me the money, and I'm hoping this happens soon. Edited by jimjamtwo
01/29/2015 11:10 pm
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