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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I personally love large cents as well and would love to post comments and pictures. For now, rather then trying to set up new forum categories or have leaders and such, why not just start with a couple of simple posts and watch where it goes. Obviously 1859 will be deserving of its own thread. But the other thread could start at 1858 and go date by date after every week. The dates that gather the most attention could be spun off onto their own threads. This could serve to be a good reference site. I realize that there are already some great reference sites, but this would be convenient since most of us are here on a daily basis.
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Any single thread on any dictated date will get long and wandering. I think that things work just fine the way they are now on any number of sites. They all deal with specific answers for specific questions, but sometimes drift a bit. 58's, 59's, 76's, 81's, 82's, 91's have way way too many different type varieties to contain them in one thread. I would just suggest that people familiarize themselves with the Haxby '59 site, Rob Turner's books, Dan Flynn's website, RCNA running columns, and the dedicated denomination variety section in the back of each annual Charlton. There's lots of information out there for free, but you just have to read and study. For those of you in the US, you can order any book on any subject, regardless how rare, through a special request at your library. I have gotten books from the NY Public library, Harvard library, or any other "we have everything" library to read in the comfort of your own home, even if it is a book in their reference section. I don't know about you Canadians and library access there. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Concerning long and wandering threads, whats the matter with that? There are already threads like that, and they are still going. People who are interested in those subjects don't mind long and wandering threads. Thats kind of the point of a forum like this. I agree that there are plenty of other sites for education and studying and such. But this is a great place to come back to and discuss and compare notes and pictures. Lets call those other sites "school". Lets call this site "the bar" where we get to sit around and talk about "school".
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Well guys, it looks like there might be a bit of misunderstandings as to HOW it could be done using an easy way and without getting all criss XX crossed with different years postings of Vicky cents.  I would like to add to my previous suggestions that letter and number references like Haxby, Zoell, Turner and other ID's are NOT used exclusively in a post and that regular descriptions are being given preference. Why? 
As interesting and valuable such publications might be, most collectors do not have and or can not afford the books and are only interested in basic coin types. Most are not interested in hundreds of different possible obv and rev die combinations with ever so minor differences which only mean something to a collector of these differences. Again, here is what I envision: 1 NO extra moderator is need for this. Just someone who overlooks that the actual posting sequence is being maintained and nobody jumps the gun. It would be for the good of the topic. Why should it matter? Because some years will automatically lead to the next and / or subsequent years because for example, the same obverse is being used. 2 NO extra actual topic title section is needed. The existing structure is good and very suitable 3 All I hoped for is that the Vicky cents are started off with 1858 as first . 4 and each following year to be in sequence and be the next topic 5 I was hoping that each topic/ year gets 1 week of discussion before the next year is posted. 6 I was further hoping that Oakiecoiner , or someone else, would be given some control to decide when a topic is stale and then suggest to move to the next year. He will know when the issue is exhausted and perhaps will post the next year. 7 this way anyone can always post in any previously posted year without having to be concerned that a reply would be thought of as belonging to another year. 8 Ok, we can do this without supervision and IF everyone agrees NOT to jump ahead and post, lets say a 1891, when in fact the current postings are discussing and are about the year 1884. 9 with adhering to a agreed to sequence, everyone can still add and post in any of the previous years topics at any time. However, if other members or moderators do not want this, please just say so... and this topic will be a thing of the past for me and the forum continues as before. Anyone can then post anything at any time about any coin. Just was seeking a way to make it easier for all and the end up with an interesting and easy to find and understand reference. |
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There's nothing wrong with a format like this. Others are doing similar elsewhere in the Forum. It'll work best with the fewest rules, and a little patience with those who will be a slow on the uptake - you will be seeing posts a little out of time sequence. Make an active effort to get along and you'll have a lot of fun with it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree with SuperDave. The only caveat being #4 listed above. Without creating every single title in succession at one time, there will certainly be topics and threads mixed in the middle of this "plan". I don't see anything wrong with that, but it won't be as neat and organized as what I think you are envisioning.
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Valued Member
United States
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Following on okies last comment about libraries. Don't forget that the RCNA and ANA both have libraries and they lend their books to their members. These are both great resources for harder to find materials. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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tights24Thanks, you are right. However, it will not work for other reasons. when only a few are interested, it makes no sense to do it. Dan, great suggestions. But there are a majority of members here who either have only very limited library access because of where they live, or are not members of either organization. on the other hand, what is a forum for? If I go to my local library, I will have to order a specific book..,and last time I was there (open on 2 mornings a week and staffed by elderly lady) they do not stock coin books, if it is available at all.(I live in the boonies) AND, how do I know that my questions can be answered by the contents of a book? That is hours of time and then with only a maybe result. Remember, most members are not researchers like some others are. easy solution: the Forum. Loaded with more experience, near instant information and knowledge about that subject than any library can only dream about. Google has been suggested.  (dumb question here: why do google's spiders hang around forums?). Just try it and place this following dumb question on Google: show pictures of 1877 Canada 5 cent coin.
You will be surprised about googles responses. However none is correct, and there will be 1000 ads trying to sell you one. "A true rarity" and every ad with the best price ever.. I am aware that you and some others here are well respected contributors to the Journal. ( yes I am a member) But have you ever asked for a loaner from the library just to find out something about, lets say a 1875 10 cent piece? The answer is usually available within a few hours on the forum from many owners and experienced collectors. Getting items from any library is usually because the reader knows exactly what he wants or needs and has tons of time on hand or does research where again, a reader has lots of time. Has anyone ever approached the local library about a E-copy of any coin book? good luck with that.
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Canada
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on the other hand, what is a forum for? Fair enough, and the forum can certainly provide the short answers. But then asking why, is a whole different animal. Some answers you get on this and other forums, are simply regurgitated answers from older questions (people know the answers, but cannot explain why), some posters simply don't have the time, or don't care, or don't want, to explain why. The danger of that is sometimes, the forum responses are not always correct... however, I digress, since I can also point to examples in the published literature, that are wrong. I guess the point is that while not overly efficient with your time, sometimes it is very beneficial to think and research through a problem yourself, the results are almost aways very gratifying. It is my philosophy that one should use the forum as a tool for knowledge, not a crutch. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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SPP: And in my entire adult lfe, I always thought that the "why" was infinitely more important than the "what". That's why many of my answers are so long-winded.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1505 Posts |
SPP, you make some excellent points. But please remember that people are creatures of habit.
Why research something when others have the answers and are very willingly offer their knowledge and experience for the benefit of all.
As I wrote in a previous post, I will ask if I do not understand. And maybe will ask again if I still do not comprehend the issue.
So, what is wrong with bringing up "an old" subject which was previously discussed?
Perhaps some members have no idea about it. Then one post or question leads to another and perhaps more and better responses.
SPP, Are you suggesting that everyone should (re)-search a possible subject in the archives before posting?
I would rather say that the forum is a excellent large pool of instantly and readily available experience and knowledge. There is most the time someone who has the right answers or the best and most suitable suggestions.
And, what is wrong with asking WHY?
If someone posts an issue in form of questions, and YOU know that the poster does know the answers to the subject, did you ever consider that this is done for the benefit of those who do not know? And by participating in the process of finding the right answers other members might learn a lot more of the subject through "hands (minds) on" experience.
Basically, IMO, a forum is nothing but a controlled environment of exchanges of information and knowledge. Perhaps not?
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1505 Posts |
Oakie, most the time your answers are the best available even if "longer", because you know this subject to no end.
I must admit, often you loose me because of terms used etc. and that is when I want to ask WHY and if and but and whatever
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
5400 Posts |
I still believe there is no substitute for an excellent numismatic library. It amazes me that collectors will spend thousands on coins and not a dime on books. The best research is what one accomplishes by doing as well as asking. The coin forum we are on is a mere stepping stone on the path to numismatic knowledge. The reason that YOU research something when others have the answers is twofold, one to confirm the answers and two to add to those answers.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1505 Posts |
Pacific, hence a good forum!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
5400 Posts |
No , hence a good library and expanded knowledge. CCF is just a small start!
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