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 Posted 01/10/2015  4:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add StrykeRXL to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So I got 3 packs of coins for Christmas from a website selling uncleaned coins (The website is apparently well known). I have pictures from the first pack I got (the better looking coins). Do some of these look pre cleaned? or not cleanable at all? Seems like most if not all are as good as they will get.

The pictures are big so I have included the links to them.

Thanks for any replies.

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 Posted 01/10/2015  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
They appear to have had at least some soaking and I doubt many of them will clean up or give a good coin afterwards. There is room for cleaning here, but probably only via long oil soaking to preserve whats left of the coins.
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But 'ripped off' would depend on how much you paid for them.
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 Posted 01/10/2015  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StrykeRXL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For this batch, it was 1/8th a Kilo purchase, my wife paid $279. For the others 1/16th for $195 and $185 which are in just as bad of shape if not worse.

Had to edit. I thought she paid less, however she paid a lot more than I thought.
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 Posted 01/10/2015  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StrykeRXL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you guys both agree a soaking in olive oil? What should I do after? also for how long? :(

This was my first real start into the hobby, other than a few off ebay. So I am not really sure where to go from here :(
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They are a pretty poor lot. Are you new to cleaning? If so, they will be good to practice on. Some have potential. Cleaned or not, all these places have sifted the coins before selling on to you. You are highly unlikely to find anything of real interest, treat it as an education.

Chuck them in DW or OO, but anything with bright green spots keep separate.
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 Posted 01/10/2015  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
'How long' depends on how well encrustations/corrosion loosen up - can take months.
You could first brush them to get some stuff off and after might have to pick with a toothpick or metal pick.
Many look like real culls and some have verdigris, so will be some work.

If you can get enough to look decent and properly identify them, then you might in the end have got your money's worth, otherwise consider it as a 'coin cleaning exercise/experience' kit.
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 Posted 01/10/2015  5:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all cheer up :) We have all been there. The crud that they are coated with was picked up from the environment over the last 1700 years or so. It won't release it without a fight. Patience is your best friend here. I personally don't like olive oil, it is OK for silver but for bronze I prefer distilled water. You can try OO after DW doesn't work, but don't try it the other way round. Other people swear by OO it is personal preference.

Better pictures would allow us to give a bit more advice on individual coins.
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Pish, are the ones with bright green spots just a form of patina?

So do you think soaking them in some oil for a week or two, then brushing and picking, rinse and repeat for a few months may help some?

And yes I am very new to cleaning. Also collecting. I was browsing ebay after coming home from a birthday party (sometimes not a good idea if you have had a few drinks :)) and purchased a few uncleaned roman coins. They were around $7 each for a 10 pack. They turned out really well and I enjoyed IDing them :P. My wife noticed me spending more time with them and went for a purchase for the holidays.
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 Posted 01/10/2015  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your pictures are a bit dark so it's difficult to see if any details shows through the dirt. As for the price sorry to say but IMO that was way too high for these uncleaned lots. Hopefully with some soaking and brushing something nice might turn up.
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The ones with bright green spots could have the dreaded Bronze Disease. There is a lot of info on the internet about it. Basically the coin is rotting, and it is catching. It will spread to other coins and they need to be kept separate.

To determine whether they are BD infected, take a pin and gently rub the green bit. If it is dusty or flakey, then it is not good news. If it is solid, then it is nothing to worry about.

Soaking can take from a few hours to months. OO can darken a coin over time. If you are brand new to cleaning, I would split the coins and try some in DW and the others in OO to see which method you prefer. I spotted a couple that I would try in DW first, I will try and find them and post the images.
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OK images would be too small.
First link
Top row 5 from left
Second row 2 from left

Third link
Bottom row 1st coin

Of course you are only showing one side of the coin. There might be potential on the other sides. Use these coins for a bit of practice, you are not going to ruin a valuable coin, and it will pay dividends once you get your hands on some good stuff.
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1/8th of a kilo for that much? You could get an 1/8th of a kilo of good cleaned coins for that. I recommend you try and send those back, no method of cleaning will make any sort of return.

This does, however, give me hope that I can get a fair bit for the pile of uncleaned coins I'm sitting on.
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 Posted 01/10/2015  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StrykeRXL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately I made sure I put the side with any sign of detail to the top. I have checked most fairly close with a magnifier and could not see any details on most. Some were as smooth as a baby's arse.

Ohh, I didn't realize that photo bucket is not showing the actual size. If you download it / open it you can view the full 4608 x 3072 image. I will also try and take some brighter pictures of the this and the other packs as well.

I will send an email to the company as see if anything can be done.

Thanks for all the tips guys. I will try to post the other pics tomorrow.
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 Posted 01/10/2015  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add StrykeRXL to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also if it turns out the green comes off like dust or crumbles what can be done?
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First thing, keep them separate from your other coins. Second, if you are keeping them, they need to go into distilled water after you have picked the dusty bits off. Every scrap has to come off. Then they go into distilled water for a soak. Chances are that the centre of the coin has the rot. Have a look on the internet for "bronze disease". Before you attempt any of the recommended "solutions" check back on the forum, there are some wacky ideas out there.

There is a product called verdi-care, available from the States, the shipping was extortionate to the UK. There is also another product, don't remember what it is called but it is available from dirtyoldcoins.com. It is possible that none of these coins are worth saving, but it would be good practice to try. That way when one of your good coins comes down with a dose, you will be able to deal with it. Even when apparently "cured" BD can recur, so you have to keep checking your coins, which is good practice any way.
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