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IRS Tax Consequence On Bag~~~box Searching?

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 Posted 01/12/2015  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tryna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Suspicious Activity Reporting kicks in if you deposit >$5000 from a single "source". It is automatic if you deposit it in one day, but if you deposit checks from the same person, with the same account numbers especially, several months apart that totals over 5000 USD, they will file a SAR. Same goes if you deposit cash, even months apart, if it crosses the 5000 USD barrier, the bank reports it.


This was one of the reasons I failed anything the bank sees as Suspicious will be brought forward. It may not go to the IRS first but it will be recorded.

Where you are getting trapped is that "Reporting kicks in if you deposit >$5000 from a single "source". " This MUST be reported. They are also obliged to report any transaction they see as out of the ordinary.

Just like if You were to witness a crime or what you think is a crime you are obliged to report it and can be charged with several criminal charges if you do not. It is extreme but it is law and people do get charged with things like withholding evidence every day.

The innocent questions you get from the teller "What Ya'll going to do with all those pennies?" is more than curiosity. This is not paranoia it is just life in the world we live in.
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 Posted 01/14/2015  07:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tryna- the IRS only gets involved if the amount deposited/withdrawn exceeds $10,000 cash. However, by completing the banks CTR, aka currency transaction report, you are adhering to the law. You may thank the patriot act for this.
As far as a SAR, suspicious activity report, the bank does not automatically file this report. An employee must begin the process if they see something unusual and then an investigation goes from there. What looks suspicious is mostly if you are depositing just under the $10,000 threshold frequently or are depositing twice in one days the same bank, say $5000 at one branch and $7000 at another trying to evade filing a CTR. Also is suspect is a customer with very little funds in their account for awhile and then all of a sudden frequently depositing thousands in cash weekly.
Banks have no interest in a customer bringing in boxes of coin. This does not set off any alarms. However, if you keep dumping repeatedly at the same branch they may cut you off due to costs of the bank shipping out the coin. It is best to spread dumps over many branches or banks depending on what you have access to. Also, as far as depositing. I almost never do. I place the boxes on the counter and they usually just cash them in. Its kind of funny because only about 25% of the time do they ever ask if I have accounts, but I always do.

I have box hunting For over 10 years and have never had a problem. The key is to establish relationships with banks so that they know who you are and what you are doing and then there are usually no problems.
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 Posted 01/19/2015  03:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Domain555 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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After many run ins with the IRS, I am the last one to defend them. But do you really expect the IRS to believe everyone who tells them that the $10,000 in cash that they are depositing is them same $10,000 in cash that they withdrew last month, with no documentation at all ? No offense meant to your friend, because lack of documentation is his own fault, but it is a good lesson to all numismatists.

Like my accounting firm, (Dewey, Cheatum and Howe), says " The IRS functions on documentation, not the word of the innocent" Always keep track, with receipts, of when and how much you paid for something and when and how much you sold or traded it for. Or else you run the risk of things like this happening.


Respectfully,

How is a person able to document a deposit of $10,000 in say hundred dollar notes, compared to $10,000 in Eisenhower dollars?

~`~`~`~`

Will follow this post with another up to date issue with the IRS
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 Posted 01/19/2015  04:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Domain555 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The follow up to above..

One of my best friends is getting shellacked by the IRS.

In short He has a commissioned job with XXX company.

He has both "floor time", and out of office time. And he makes more money working out of xxx office.

Email - Fairs - cold telephone calls - travelling to different towns - in home - Universities - Lunch rooms with at least 50 employees - every where. One time he put on a free steak dinner for 500 plates. That was very very profitable for him.

xxx company was happy with the 200+ NEW CONTRACTS but no more free food, for fear of "food problem" issues.

Has a legal, written contract with his xxx company as both a independent sales contractor AND an employee. xxx company pays ZERO for any cost out of his office. Out of the office he is in business for him self. Period.

This man is a DOCUMENTATION FREAK multiplied by 100

IMHO so called full documentation is a myth (IF) that is what the IRS decides.
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