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Unknown Coin... Canadian? Value?

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 Posted 01/13/2015  7:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Smeele to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have no idea what this coin is. Unknown-Coin...-Canadian?-Value?
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 Posted 01/13/2015  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
its a ships colonies and commerce token issued in the 1800s, they were made in both the U.S. and Canada. to give a value you will need to have someone on the forum grade and identify the variety of it.
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 Posted 01/13/2015  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Medieval to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems to be this one (or at least close to it) http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2588.html
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Thank you. How do I go about doing that?
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I would start a post with these pictures in the Canadian variety and error forum asking for a variety identification along with a value, also ask for a grade.
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also make sure you put in the title what you'd like and what the coin is for example a good title might be "ships colonies & commerce token, what variety?" or something along those lines.
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 Posted 01/13/2015  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amida17 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Far from expert....but I'll take a stab.... PE10-10A....common.
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This is why I hate varieties, what could PE10-10A possibly mean. I see those random sequences a lot more with tokens and things like that and a lot less with coins after 1858. When I see someone say a sequence of numbers and letters like that for a coin after 1858 its on CCF but would not be on the title of a coin on ebay where if it was a token there would for some reason be a better chance of having the variety.
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This link will provide a little more information for you to explore:-

http://www.coinsandcanada.com/token...-1835&id=195
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This query shews the value of the knowledge found in reference books.
This happens to be variety PE10-45.

This identifier is provided by Charlton in the book "Canadian Colonial Tokens."
This is the pergorative of the author. In the earlier works, Charlton utilized
a different identification system. The PE identifies Prince Edward Island. The
number 10 identifies the tenth major variety of the PEI tokens (in this case,
Ships, Colonies, and Commerce. The numeral 45 indicated the 45th major variety
within the grouping.

The number 45 is taken from work of W. A. D. Lees published in 1916. Mr. Lees is
the leading pioneer of the series and he identified and listed the varieties as
he chose. His identification has been accepted throughout the numismatic community.
Charlton's 45 is the same as the Lees' 45.

Most of the research has been done and there is no need to reinvent the wheel. If
we want to learn, it behooves us to study what has already been done, and then to
augment upon and expand upon the same. Pioneers such as Breton, Lees, Courteau,
Sandham, Wood, McLachlan, Gibbs, etal., are the founding fathers of Canadian
Numismatics.

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Great post Doug and incredibly well said. Proof once again there is no substitute for knowledge that can be found in a good numismatic library.
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To elaborate upon the former reply...

The St. George and the Dragon series is identified in Charlton's as PC (Province of Canada).
Charlton next uses the numeral 5 to identify the ONE HALF PENNY series and the numeral 6 to
identify the ONE PENNY series (PC-5, PC-6). Charlton next identifies the date by the letters
A, B, C, or D. A=1850, B=1852, C=1854, and D=1857. Charlton's also separates some of these
one step further, but this is all really the basic identifiers.

Serious collectors are not satisfied with the generic. To wit: Charlton's identifies the 1850
ONE HALF PENNY as PC-5A and goes no further. Doctor Eugene Courteau authored a work, published
in 1934, which greatly expanded upon the entire St. George and the Dragon series. Dr. Courteau
identified and listed 75 different die marriages of what is now consolidated under the umbrella
of PC-5A alone and 319 varieties within the entire series. Some of the varieties are extremely rare,
while others are as common as mud. Absent knowledge of Dr. Courteau's specific variety, present
collectors remain in the dismal darkness.

doug

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