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My 1941 Canada 50 Cent Piece

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Thoughts on grading? Thanks.

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I'll give it a shot since the front of my Charlton has a 50-cent grading guide. Let's see how close I am: VG-8.
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Ha! I should (can) Google and see how one grades these. It's a funny coin -- I find the obverse (I'm assuming it's the obverse) boringly bland. But that reverse, with all the detail work, and some of the toning, I love.

Oh and I did some googling, and I'm thinking more of a high VF on this one. There's a lot of detail in his hair, his eyes, his mouth, that you don't see on a VG.
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The toning is throwing us off, I think it's a VF-20 too.
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I'm with SHAFTA9a on this one....VF20.
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I'm going with F12
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Looks like I'm wayyy off again.
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Slurexe, it's like other's have said ya have to keep trying, me too I get it way off as I'm also learning, cheers
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Thanks everyone. I'm still transfixed by the reverse on this thing, toning and all. I just love it.
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Flat Back 9 appears in the 1941. Narrower date.
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SilverDon, I'm not very familiar with Canadian coins, so I'm not sure I understood your comment. I did some googling and see references to "flat back 9" and narrow dates, but am not understanding what I'm finding. I'm only getting back into my coin collection after a 35 year respite, so I'm still a bit new here. :-) If someone could explain the significance of his comment, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
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The presence (or lack) of toning, seen from one angle, often throws me off. That's why whatever I try to photo-grade is usually all over the place.

I think SilverDon is talking about this:

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J442b: Narrow date, 41 close
J442c: Wide date, 41 apart

Just keep in mind this came out of a 50-year old catalogue, I'm not sure how accurate this is at the present.
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So the reverse die was re-used and subsequent dates were made by punching the last two numbers of the date,
the 1 and the 9 were on the die as constants and the 4 and the 1 were punched in. In the process of die refurbishment
the round back of the nine was flattened to a flat back nine. Some dates in the 40's were narrower
some dates wider. Some dates within the same year have wide and narrow varieties depending on how widely
spaced the last two digits of the date are, close to the Unicorn's hoof and the ring above it.

Many die varieties and combinations exist for both the reverse and the obverse for George VI 50 cent coins.

Thanks SlurExe97 for the pics.
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To clarify what SilverDon said....

From 1941-1949 the last two date digits for the 50 cent coins were entered into the dies individually.... this meant that there is a lot of oppotunity for different date configurations... some widely spaced and some closely spaced.

While preparing the dies, some of the 9's resulted in a flat appearance on the back edge and some had a rounded appearance...

See Charltons 2014 68th in the Varieties section where this is discussed.
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Thanks pginrh for the clarity.
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