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Ancient Astronomy/Space Related Coins?

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Hello. Though I've bought several ancient coins now, I know very little about variety.

I've been a star gazer for years, and I've seen only a few ancient coins, almost all in lower grades that have stars, the moon, the sun, or anything else space related on them.

Can you recommend any? Are there any very common ancients that have such caricatures? Any larger coins?

Thanks.
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I was just reading an interesting article on this subject you might enjoy reading it also http://tjbuggey.ancients.info/astro.html
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A lot of provincial issues have the moon and stars design - ive even got one, somewhere. Hadrian issued a denarius of the same.

The CONS/Star commemorative has a star, but just the one.

Theres some rare DIVVS IVLIVS coins which have a star on them which is thought to be a comet, sighted during the mourning for Julius Caesar and believed to be an omen.

Other than that, you might find some 'starry field' helmets or stars rendered in the background of provincials. Or, perhaps, you'd like the globe that appears a lot in the later empire's designs - this is the celestial globe and represents the night sky, a sign that the emperor holds the whole universe.
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You will need deep pockets for this one
http://www.colosseocollection.com/p...1c#h1e626b1c
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Here's one that I discovered - that I didn't buy because it was a bit too expensive for me at the time...

Greek Parthia Orodes 57-38bc


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As another collector of ancients always on the lookout for astronomical themes, you'll pardon me if I babble on for a bit.

Coins with generic moons and stars on them are relatively easy to come by; perhaps the cheapest and easiest are the Late Roman Bronze "campgates" featuring stars attached to or hovering over the walls, such as this one. Coins that make reference to specific astronomical / astrological objects or events are much rarer (and usually much more expensive). The "comet denarius" linked to by pishpash above is a good example.

Another aspect of "astronomical coin collecting" is the collecting of coins depicting deities for whom planets, asteroids etc are named after. In the Roman series, it's quite possible to collect all seven ancient planets (Sun, Moon, and the five "actual" planets excluding Earth itself out to Saturn); you can even throw in some of the planets, moons and asteroids that hadn't been discovered in ancient times (such as Neptune and Ceres). Saturn and Pluto are the hardest to find; not popularly depicted on coins, those guys.

You can also find their planetary equivalents on other coinage series. On Greek coins they are called Zeus and Hermes instead of Jupiter and Mercury, for instance, while the Kushan Empire coinages depict Mao and Ardoksho rather than Luna and Venus.

Specific non-planetary objects rarely get a mention on ancient coinage, but on Roman coins, there's Castor and Pollux, the mythical twins of Gemini, who feature prominently in the Roman foundation myth and are usually depicted on coins with their stars hovering over their heads. These Roman Republic denarii are nice and clear.

There are also some good candidates in the mediaeval period. Astrological imagery was one of the few exceptions the Islamic rulers granted themselves to the "no graven images" policy usually implemented on coins. My favourite is the Artuqid bronze dirham depicting a centaur-archer with a dragon attached to it's tail: astrological code for a solar eclipse in Sagittarius, specifically, the one that happened the year before the coin was struck (AD 1201) in which the path of totality passed through Mecca; discussed in this thread.

There's also the sudden and short-lived appearance of stars on Byzantine gold coins that just happens to have occurred at the same time as the 1054 supernova. This CoinArchives example will disappear in a few months, so click on it quick to see one.
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There's also the sudden and short-lived appearance of stars on Byzantine gold coins that just happens to have occurred at the same time as the 1054 supernova.


And here's what that supernova looks like today...


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Interesting fact for those less versed in astronomy: That image is a layered image. One layer being an x-ray, which shows the tiny Neutron star at the core of the Crab nebula. A sort of stellar corpse. A piece of neutron star material the size of a marble would weigh over one hundred million tons.




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