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I don't see anything wrong with this. He clearly said photos. Respectfully, an online seller cannot claim the item they are selling is one thing in the title and description and then at the very bottom of the listing insert a one sentence disclaimer mentioning something about photo dimensions and then claim that all the buyer was purchasing is a photo of a coin. I suspect that this seller's actions meet the statutory requirements for fraud and that government agents will be knocking on his door sooner rather than later due to the number of transactions and the large dollar amount involved. I wonder if the seller is in the process of relocating to South America. This isn't your garden variety hijacked account, this appears to have been planned for a long time. Another reason why I don't do ebay. Wow. Definition of Fraud. Quote:
Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result. http://legal-dictionary.thefreedict...ry.com/FraudEdited by Joe2007
02/02/2015 9:40 pm
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One thing that seems odd about all this to me. Everything about this screams stolen account. But if so why did they bother to go to the trouble of mailing pictures of the coins at all? If the plan was to hack the account and scoop up the money they'd have to know it was only a matter of days before it would end. Why bother sending anything? Perhaps it was to buy them more time to scoop the money and disappear. If they didn't send anything at all then no tracking numbers would show up on ebay giving the buyers a quicker concern and a quicker report to ebay. But if that's the case why not just send an empty package? Perhaps sending pictures of the coins was more fun. Or perhaps by burying that information in the auctions descriptions they'd think they'd get a lesser count of charge if they were caught. It's just all baffling to me.  I guess that's just another reason I'm not a criminal.  Edited by Tbone
02/02/2015 9:52 pm
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Quote:Why bother sending anything? Perhaps it was to buy them more time to scoop the money and disappear. If they didn't send anything at all then no tracking numbers would show up on ebay giving the buyers a quicker concern and a quicker report to ebay. But if that's the case why not just send an empty package? Perhaps sending pictures of the coins was more fun. Or perhaps by burying that information in the auctions descriptions they'd think they'd get a lesser count of charge if they were caught. Almost like insult to injury. Makes me wonder if they had the audacity to write a note stating "Thanks for your purchase, I hope you enjoy". I get those occasionally from trustworthy sellers, but if I got a picture of a coin I paid two grand for and it had a note like that I'd be fuming. Perhaps the USPS can track down where, when, and who shipped them? But I do agree on the idea of mailing and putting a tracking number out gave this crook extra time. This was obviously a well, sick and twisted, thought out plan. |
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Quote:One thing that seems odd about all this to me. Everything about this screams stolen account. But if so why did they bother to go to the trouble of mailing pictures of the coins at all? If the plan was to hack the account and scoop up the money they'd have to know it was only a matter of days before it would end. Why bother sending anything? Perhaps it was to buy them more time to scoop the money and disappear. If they didn't send anything at all then no tracking numbers would show up on ebay giving the buyers a quicker concern and a quicker report to ebay. But if that's the case why not just send an empty package? IMHO it was done to slow ebay's response. If you didn't send SOMETHING, ebay's systems show no tracking # entered. If you send "what the auction said", the first few SNADs can be disputed into a "he said/he said" back & forth world, giving you more time. -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ |
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Yeah, all he needs is a day or two to get the money out of Paypal.
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On some of the other forums, victims of this scammer are saying that ebay has refunded their money. Glad that the correct action was taken quickly. |
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It still gets me that people don't check out the seller before buying.
This guys feedback for the past 30 days:
61 Positive
0 Neutral
51 Negative
In only 30 days....that would be a red flag in my book, how about you?
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My understanding is that when people bid the seller was at 100% feedback. Then all of that negative feedback came within a very narrow window of time.
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Yeah, obviously the negatives were all AFTER he pulled the scam... Glad to hear buyers are getting refunds!
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I don't see anything wrong with this. He clearly said photos. Being clever enough to maybe avoid being charged with and convicted of a crime should never be confused with doing what is ethically right. Colligo ergo sum
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Posted 02/02/2015 9:43 pm
