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Krusti-Koin's Avatar
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 Posted 02/06/2015  12:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Krusti-Koin to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is such an obvious fake, and it has bids on it! I reported to ebay, let's see if they do anthing about it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221682217775?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html%3F_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=221682217775&_rdc=1

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Lucky Cuss's Avatar
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 Posted 02/06/2015  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is laughable, but somebody may nevertheless want to buy it for its novelty or to add it to their "Black Cabinet Hall of Shame"....
Colligo ergo sum
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Nickel Guy's Avatar
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 Posted 02/06/2015  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kudos for contacting ebay.

I contacted the seller with the following:
"There is no doubt that this coin is a fake, and having been informed of this fact you are now violating Federal law by knowingly passing counterfeit US coinage.
To keep from violating this law you have two options:
1. Drop the listing or
2. Relist the item stating that it is fake (or counterfeit)."
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 Posted 02/06/2015  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krusti-Koin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I am guessing that this seller is not concerned about Federal Laws since he is in Canada. I will keep an eye on it and see what happens and report back. You did well to contact the seller. It is up to us to step up to the plate to try and save this hobby.
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02/06/2015 2:19 pm
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 Posted 02/06/2015  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So far I've had a very good success rate with ebay sellers doing one of the two options I suggest.
The ones from China are the few that ignore me altogether.

I figure it's better than seeing a fake and doing nothing at all.
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 Posted 02/06/2015  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krusti-Koin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like yourself, I feel it is a responsibility to report and stop the sale of fakes. I didn't mean to imply otherwise because it is a foreign seller. I think you did the right thing.
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Nickel Guy's Avatar
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 Posted 02/06/2015  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Krusi-Coin
Same back at ya'....we're good.

Lets just hope the seller's morals and standards in life are high enough that he does the right thing.
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 Posted 02/06/2015  4:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I, too contacted the seller.

For dissuading fakes up north the appropriate law to cite is Section 450 of the Criminal Code of Canada (http://yourlaws.ca/criminal-code-ca...erfeit-money).
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 Posted 02/06/2015  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The following was added to the listing:


Quote:
On Feb-06-15 at 11:36:28 PST, seller added the following information:
***Trade coins were made after 1873, THUS this coin is a reproduction...anyone that wishes to opt out of this auction can do so*****
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 Posted 02/06/2015  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickel Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the update Steve.

It's little things like this that make my day.
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 Posted 02/06/2015  4:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And finally:


Quote:
This listing was ended by the seller because the item was sold.


I'm guessing that "item was sold" was a little fib. :-)
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02/06/2015 4:44 pm
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 Posted 02/06/2015  6:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Krusti-Koin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It made my day also, somebody out there didn't get scammed. And I learned a bit about dealing with these con artists from you guys. Thanks to all.
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 Posted 02/06/2015  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's good to see that the seller heeded the warning. That said, I've found that less coercive. in-your-face, blunt language can generally garner a more favorable response. For example ... "I humbly suggest that you confirm my observation with a knowledgeable coin dealer in your area." and, "Selling fakes can harm the favorable feedback you have and result in a needless hassle." and "Best wishes with your future sales, making ebay a safe marketplace to buy."
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 Posted 02/07/2015  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oddnumistics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now here is just something I happen to notice about the auction that maybe was overlooked by some. The seller did state that they had no info on the coin really. So would it really be his fault if he just wasn't fully knowledgeable about the coin when listing it? People do make mistakes.
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 Posted 02/07/2015  02:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gyrene7483 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Now here is just something I happen to notice about the auction that maybe was overlooked by some. The seller did state that they had no info on the coin really. So would it really be his fault if he just wasn't fully knowledgeable about the coin when listing it? People do make mistakes.
Until he is informed otherwise I can agree with your statement to a certain point. He may very well have known the coin was a fake or maybe he did not. We will never know for sure. But, he was informed that the coin was not genuine and let the listing run until he was told he was violating Canadian law. Only then did he do the right thing and end the listing.
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 Posted 02/07/2015  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One point being overlooked is that in Canada, it is illegal to even own a counterfeit coin. The seller was breaking the law by trying to sell it, even if he declared it to be fake and if someone in Canada was the winning bidder, it would be illegal for them to purchase. The onus is on the
owner of the coin as to is validity.
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