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A Glimpse Of The "Old" ANACS And Grading!

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 Posted 09/30/2007  02:15 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is a link to a completed ebay auction. The text of the sale is a great glimpse into the old grading standards and how ANACS used to photograph and authenticate as well as issue an obverse/reverse grade opinion! Mike

http://cgi.ebay.com/1885-LIBERTY-NI...RS_W0QQitemZ290159397338QQihZ019QQcategoryZ11953QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 Posted 09/30/2007  02:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like someone dipped it and put it in a 2x2. I have seen these type of grading papers before and the coin was always stapled in a plastic bag type thing to the paper, this one has been removed from the paper which would be the equivalent of cracking the slab in my opinion and dipped the coin before placing it in the 2x2
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 Posted 09/30/2007  02:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen those before on ebay and I always thought it was very cool. I think the grading companies should provide a certificate with picture and grades per sides with comments for all the slabs. That would be very cool.
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 Posted 10/01/2007  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those papers are important too! That is a very rare transfer certificate, I think only the second one of that particular variety that I have seen.

The did snd the cins back in a flip, but it wasn't always stapled to the certificate, and sometimes not even sealed closed. One nice thing about the certificates though is that the picture is an actual photograph, not just a reproduced image. You can actually take a magnifying glass to the picture and examine it in detail to compare it to the coin and mae sure the coin wasn't switched or had not been tampered with since it was graded. I can't tell for sure if anything has been done to this coin since it was at ANACS. It MIGHT have ben lightend slightly, but it is undoubtedly the same coin. It is also a VG8, F-12 by todays standards. Back when that coin was graded a Fine had to have a ful Liberty, but the I could be weak. Even blowing up the images I don't see a full LIBERTY. If I could see it in hand I might go VG-10, but not F-12.
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 Posted 10/02/2007  12:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another neat thing on the certificate are the words "In our opinion". I think that is very important. This was before TPG's became gods! The flips were not sealed in the traditional sense. Taking the coin out did not diminish the value as long as the coin had not degraded and matched the photo's. Mike.... P.S I have only seen a few of these certificates myself. I have a pre-PCGS Certified David Hall coin, sealed in a Mylar flip. I don't see many of them around either! Mike
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P.S I have only seen a few of these certificates myself

ANACS certificates, or the ANACS Transfer Certificates? The ANACS certificates are scarce, (and they come in at least eight different varieties) but the Transfer Certificates probably made up LESS than 1% of the certificates originally. Today they are down right rare. Unfortunately they do not realy comand a premium, but I think they should.
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 Posted 10/03/2007  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add treasurehunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have two 1984 double ear Lincoln's that we bought which also are also the same. They came in a small plastic bag with a photo attached and a certificate of authenticity and gives anacs grade. Prior to this we had never seen them either. The 84 double ear is so easy to see with the naked eye that I didn't worry about authenticity at the time. I've been holding them and thinking about sending them in for slabbing, but now you got me thinking maybe I should just keep them the way the are for now. There kind of interesting by themselves and I wondered about the packaging when I bought them. I'll try and post a picture at a later time for anyone interested.
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 Posted 10/04/2007  03:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add longnine009 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For your viewing pleasure here's my Transfer cert.

http://www.coincommunity.org/galler...hp?pos=-9025

This next link is what Condor was talking about. How you could compare the coin to the cert. There are some stutter marks on Anna's neck that you can see on the cert *very easily* even with 80's photography.

http://www.coincommunity.org/galler...hp?pos=-9024
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I have one from heritage (Now Heritage auctions) its neat but I don't think the coin in the plastic 2x2 stapled to the photo card is the same as the one in the picture.
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