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Trajan Decius Coin

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 Posted 02/28/2015  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bajkonyr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@pishpash
1.The seller dug it up with a metal detector and he is a collector as well.
2. He guarantees the authenticity. But when we talk about an item such as this one, most of the owners would do and say anything to sell it. I think you can answer your questions 3,4,5!

@echizento
I had no chance to examine the coin yet.

@Paul Bulgerin
If this comes out to be real coin, how much do you think is an acceptable offer for it?

Thank you everyone.
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 Posted 02/28/2015  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wildwinds entry RIC 22 shows this type coin. I may be wrong, but looks like an obverse die match (reverses are clearly different)

What does everyone think and what would be the implications? Would a forger cast a coin from two different dies or is this the product of an ancient celator changing a worn out reverse die, or some other scenario?
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 Posted 02/28/2015  05:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is very close but I don't think it is a die match. The letters CIVS don't look exact to me. Also crows feet look different.
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 Posted 02/28/2015  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you able to tell us from which country this is being sold? For example, if it was found in the UK, it should have been reported to the Portable Antiquities Scheme, in which case there would be a reference number.

If it is not legal to export from the country, I would walk away.
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 Posted 02/28/2015  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Pish,

Still looks like a die match to me. If you follow the legends around not only do the little nuances match but the letters themselves match exactly in relative position to the bust itself. Doesn't seem plausible that two individual dies, even from the same celator, could be hand made with these shared characteristics.

Maybe it is the different angle or lighting that makes the areas you are talking about seem different
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 Posted 02/28/2015  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think we need more pics , for me there are differences in the face,the ears ..
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@Biancasdad
The tail of the S in CIVS appears to drop below the V in the coin on the left. There also seem to be some differences in the beard, but this could be down to the lighting or wear.
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 Posted 02/28/2015  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bajkonyr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please look at this one.
It has the same S.
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 Posted 02/28/2015  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am really not sure about the die match. I am seeing differences that could be down to the angle, lighting etc. However, my opinion is not going to help you decide whether this coin is authentic.

Can you tell us which country it is in?
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 Posted 03/01/2015  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bajkonyr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In the States now. But was dug up in central Europe on a bank of a river.
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 Posted 03/01/2015  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you arrange for it to be sent to David Sear for authentication? If you are going to be spending a great deal of money, then the cost of the certification would only beneficial to you.
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 Posted 03/01/2015  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bajkonyr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for spamming the post with all this pics. I hope these are better pics:

Way too many pictures of the same coin. I think we can tell enough from the ones already posted.
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@pishpash
Is David and you are the same person?
The seller would be very reluctant to part with it without any money in exchange, let alone sending it in the mail.
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 Posted 03/01/2015  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pishpash to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish I was David Sear :)

His website is here
http://www.davidrsear.com/

If you and the seller are in the same country, at least that is a start. If I were in your position, and you can agree a price, I would ask the seller to send the coin to David Sear (you pay the fee) and if necessary give the seller a deposit on the coin. The balance to be paid when the coin is returned from David Sear with proper authentication.

If the seller is genuine, he can hardly protest at this. Presumably, he would be sending the coin to you in the mail?
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