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Apple Buying 1/3 Of The World's Gold! Really?

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Wow! That's quite a statement. One has to wonder about the veracity of such a headline. Let's do a little digging.

The article linked in another thread - http://www.mining.com/apple-buying-...watch-14071/ They site online articles from the WSJ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/02...initial-run/ and http://tidbits.com/article/15443 TidBITS, an Apple "news" blog. It basically boils down to:

If Apple were to produce 1,000,000 of its top of the line solid gold watch per month, using 2 troy ounces of gold per they will need ~746 metric tons of the shiny stuff a year. Apparently that's about 1/3 of the current world's production.

Wow! This is almost unbelievable!

Turns out the 2 troy ounces may be rather high as the originator of this estimate, Apple Spotlight; https://applespotlight.com/2015/02/...apple-watch/ has since down sized their current estimate to ~29.16g of 18k gold. So the guess as to how much gold has gone from ~62g of 24k gold to 21.87g. OK, I can buy that Apple will make a product with a relatively large amount of gold in it as the current rumor as to how much they'll charge for it is $5,000 - $10,000.

The second part of the equation is the one I have the biggest problem with. Do I believe that Apple can sell 1,000,000 watches a MONTH for $5,000 - $10,000 each? This seems absurd to me. So, where does this number come from?

The Wall Street Journal


Quote:

Apple has asked its suppliers in Asia to make a combined five to six million units of its three Apple Watch models during the first quarter ahead of the product's release in April, according to people familiar with the matter.

Half of the first-quarter production order is earmarked for the entry-level Apple Watch Sport model, while the mid-tier Apple Watch is expected to account for one-third of output, one of these people said.

Orders for Apple Watch Edition - the high-end model featuring 18-karat gold casing - are relatively small in the first quarter but Apple plans to start producing more than one million units per month in the second quarter, the person said. Analysts expect demand for the high-end watches to be strong in China where Apple's sales are booming.


So if Apple is making 5 - 6 million units leading up to release, with 80% being the lower two models; and plan to produce 1M gold watches a month, the total production will be 5 million a month starting in April (assuming gold stays 20% of production). Of a product that starts at $350 at the bottom and $5,000 - $10,000 for the Apple Watch Edition at the top.

I don't see it. If Apple could move a total of 1,000,000 units a month I'd be shocked. But let's assume they can, let's also assume the expensive one still sells at 20% of total units shipped.

29.16g of 18k gold (.703 oz)
X 200,000
= 140,600 troy ounces
Or 4.373 metric tons

Still a lot of gold to be sure; but a far cry from 1/3 the world's gold production. Who knows though, I'm no expert. Maybe Apple can sell 12,000,000 >$5,000 watches a year. I wouldn't bet on it though.

Seems more plausible that the WSJ misquoted their source or are the victim of poor editing. Time will tell.
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02/28/2015 01:17 am
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Excellent OP.

$349 is a reasonable price point IMO for the loaded technology. However, I can't figure out who will be purchasing this gold watch in the volumes they are describing. If I were going to spend 10k on a watch, it would't be something like this. I wonder if they plan to allow upgrades, not just software where you actually replace the guts around the gold.

I would actually love to see a silver version, which I think would sell even better with about an ounce of silver $16 material versus $1200. I think they could mark this up even more as a % and sell it for $599-$999.

Thanks again Devil for the excellent post.
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Absolute horse pucky, this is straight out of the minds of internet dreamers. Just because it is published on line does not mean it is true.
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$5K or $10K on a watch that will become obsolete in a couple of years and won't appreciate in value. Will I be able to pass this down to my heirs?
I would be willing to pay $2K and not anything more, and they should have software and hardware upgrade capabilities
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Haha, thanks for that...but I added the "Really?" The original headline is:

Apple buying a third of world's gold to meet demand for iWatch

Thanks Montana for the compliments!

SilverDon,

Quote:

Just because it is published on line does not mean it is true.

I completely agree. I started this thread in response to a question about how this "news" might affect the price of gold in another thread.

Upon more reflection I realize that the supply chain has already procured the gold necessary for the initial run and likely would have contracts for at least the first six months of production already. In essence, Apple's need for gold would already be priced into the market.

Again, these are my opinions only. Guesses, just as the "news" being reported on this is nothing more than conjecture.
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Quote:
Wow! This is almost unbelievable!


"almost"?
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Nice thread!

The fact is this article is a lot of hoopla.

IF this was indeed true, gold would have moved higher MONTHS ago, way before this article even was published.

Therefore, this news article has it completely wrong and AAPL will not be making the gold market move and whatever gold they do need, they would have planned and secured months in advance.

I tip my hat to you Devilsbite as your statement here is completely 100% right: "Upon more reflection I realize that the supply chain has already procured the gold necessary for the initial run and likely would have contracts for at least the first six months of production already. In essence, Apple's need for gold would already be priced into the market.

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Apple is partly the reason that gold doesn't get given as gifts anymore since every year people have the itch for a new electronic and throw away their "old" one. (!) A gold electronic is just ridiculous. This idea will not last.
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It's a once only purchase for the price they will sell for and how practical will it be for daily wear. I would imagine there's a finite market for the product. Especially if there's problems with future updates. The 1st generation always has problems, requiring debugging. I just don't see this selling a million a month, maybe in a year, I even doubt it as a possibility. It will be fun to watch at any rate. We are such a throw away society. Nothing is made to last any more.
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I will believe it when I see one for sale. Its got to be the worst investment on Apples part as proof last week with Gold.

Sounds like a joke just before another little crash for gold. Within a few more years gold is going to fail right to about $700 oz. I would not touch the Stuff/Gold with my Silver Pole.
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