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A Curious Counterfeit Slab

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This is by far the most interesting counterfeit slab I've seen to date:

http://www.theblackcabinet.org/coun...127020-0001/

It's a 1960-D Lincoln Cent which, on the label states it's a "Small Date" but holds a Large Date coin. However, the genuine slab also holds a Large Date coin, because the "Small Date" Label was an error on PCGS' part which was subsequently corrected in their database.

The only way to tell the fake apart from the genuine slab, however, is through subtle formatting differences in the label, and the fact that the coin in the fake slab (although it *is* a genuine 1960-D Large Date) isn't MS67. :-)
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Well, that's confusing enough
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If somebody could make a perfect counterfeit, who would know? That is an impressive counterfeit slab. It brings to mind the old advice that one should buy the coin, not the slab.
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That slab is also correct for the barcode. That's disturbing.
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Steve, you do a great job finding this stuff out...keep it up!
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Great article Steve. CoinWeek seems like a great place to get the word out.

http://www.coinweek.com/opinion/cou...-the-future/

I just signed up for your Certification Shield service.


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Glad to see the wider dissemination, Steve, and you wrote an excellent article. This is one pincer of what must be a multipronged attack. We must also force the distributors and venues to heed the provisions of the Hobby Protection Act. We must lean on the TPG's to implement encrypted RFID with their slabs. We have to broaden the outreach, find ways to inform collectors before they come looking for a place like Coin Community.

The optical technology to image a coin in such minute detail as to differentiate it from all others not only exists, it's cheap and any of us could do it. With images of the original like that available, no counterfeit could pass inspection. But that - and all of our research and concentrated knowledge - won't help the people who never know it exists.
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@Tbone - Thanks!

@SsuperDdave - Aye RFID would be a big step forward and you're right about photography, but the word must get out. And where this can help fight problems with newly certified coins, we need to think of something to stem all of the coins that have been previously processed before such tech has become available.
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The optical technology to image a coin in such minute detail as to differentiate it from all others not only exists, it's cheap and any of us could do it. With images of the original like that available, no counterfeit could pass inspection.

I still don't understand why PCGS does not take pictures of all their graded coins like NGC. Maybe for past ones, they can have people send in their coin for imaging at a discounted shipping rate?
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Regarding PCGS

It's only an additional $5 to add PCGS Secure when submitting to PCGS. Well worth it given the growth of counterfeiting.

From their website.


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With PCGS Secure, each coin is laser scanned, imaged and registered into the PCGS Secure database. Through this process, the system digitally captures the unique fingerprints of both sides of the coin.

PCGS Secure provides protection for your coins, and gives our expert graders high-tech tools to help win the battle against coin doctoring and counterfeiting.


The images they get from the process aren't very attractive for display but my understanding is they do create a very unique fingerprint of your coin.

For example:

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