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When Is It Acceptable To Dip?

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 Posted 03/08/2015  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You only use a gun when it's necessary to destroy something. It is suitable for no other job. So it is with dip; you only use it when it is necessary to destroy the surfaces of a coin.

The analogy follows because both instances are final, and the world will have to live with the result forever after you're gone. Both have use cases; neither have use cases as broad as the uninitiated believe. Either will damage the user as much as the victim if employed inappropriately, one by putting you in jail and the other by throwing your money out the window.

It's a hot-button issue because it is quite frankly not a procedure for the inexperienced collector to contemplate, much less use. I'm torn every time it comes up - couple times a month for ten years so far - between wanting to shoo people away from it and needing to explain it clearly so the great risk is understood.

The last time I explained it. This time I'm just shooing people away.
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 Posted 03/08/2015  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valleyco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my Two Cents on cleaning: first, when you own a coin, you can do whatever you want with it. Dip it, polish it, drill holes in it, whatever. However, many of those things will reduce the resale value. The first thing I try is acetone. I dip a q-tip (paper stick,not plastic) in acetone and wipe the coin with it. Acetone will remove surface debris without reacting with the metal (high grade copper excepted) and evaporates completely without rinsing. Next, I will try MS70 on lustrous nickel and silver coins. MS70 Will give circulated and gold coins a washed out look. MS70 is a surfactant (soap) and if properly rinsed will not leave any residue. It will even remove light toning. Last I might try E-Z-Est far tarnished Wil Dr coins. The active ingredient is thiuric acid. The problem with it is if it is not completely neutralized with baking soda the coins are likely to refine over time in a very ugly way. If you try it on nickel you might get an immediately pleasing result but over time the nickel will turn an ugly brown. If you try MS70 after dipping it can be like painting the coin brown. Let's face it, many coins need help to have eye appeal. Trying these things can help, but nothing is guaranteed. Get some experience on coins that do not matter and then you will know what to try on coins that do.
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 Posted 03/08/2015  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valleyco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry I didn't proofread before sending. Should be "tarnished silver coins"
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 Posted 03/08/2015  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wait .....wait .....wait...... the pictures are fuzzy and my sight is not what it used to be, but are we looking at a 1928 here ?
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 Posted 03/08/2015  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add valleyco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And retone not refine. Blast this spell check!
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I read every post, and no one has mentioned that dipping should only be done to an uncirculated coin. I'm not sure if the one you showed is uncirculated, but the way you described it in the beginning as a 20 dollar bin coin, it didn't sound like it. So, in your case, no, I would not dip it.
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My thought too, denco, ( a 1928 but there is a mint mark (S?) present.

"When is it acceptable to dip?"

When you understand the consequences, both positive and negative. I don't understand them and I would not, though sorely tempted, try it on my coins. I will not take the risk.

However, I remember advice that PERHAPS dipping an uncirculated coin is ... worth the risk ... but a circulated coin ... no.

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Great replies so far thanks guys. And no it's a 1923 but it does look like a 28 from the picture. I wish it was!
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I'll take it out of the capsule and post it on the grading section when I get home. That one might not have been the best example but I chose it because of how dark it is.
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I don't routinely dip coins but have done so many, many times. Diluted dips are worth a try on some ugly coins but only if you know what you're doing. A large number of 19th century U.S. silver and gold coins have been dipped. Some people say most coins have been dipped but there's no way to know. There is a cottage industry in toning and re-toning for profit and many of these "doctors" dip before operating. :(

Dipping in thoracic acid was a common and accepted practice on AU and MS coins for many decades. Recent decades have brought about a greater appreciation for originality so many haven't been re-dipped, and some have re-toned, over the past 50, 60 or 70 years. That's a good thing.

If you must dip then use common-date bullion coins and dilute your dip with 50% distilled water and rinse the coin throughly when complete.
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Valleyco.....you can edit your post by clicking on the notepad/pencil icon at the top of your post.
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Quote:
"They are your coins and you can dip them whenever you want to.

I take the view that I do not really own the coins, I am merely their custodian and curator. Some day I will be gone but the coins will remain and it is my responsibility to try and preserve them for future custodians as undamaged as possible.
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I take the view that I do not really own the coins, I am merely their custodian and curator. Some day I will be gone but the coins will remain and it is my responsibility to try and preserve them for future custodians as undamaged as possible.


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......... we are merely the caretakers of a small part of history. Dipping a coin strips off a layer of metal at a molecular level. To me, that is stripping off a layer of history. When I look ay my classic coins, every nick, every scratch, bag mark, fingerprint tells a story of where and with whom the coin has been.

But that is just me.
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Sometimes a coin DOES need to be dipped or cleaned, but only when it is necessary to prevent something that is already on the coin from damaging it further.
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