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Ancient Coin Issuing Nations

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I've been looking through my Greek Coins and Their Values and I am noticing that not everything listed in there would technically be a Greek coin.

Judean, Phoenician and Celtic coins are listed. While I understand the concept of nation is a little fuzzy now and even more fuzzy then, I was wondering how many ancient independent/semi-independent nations are contained in GCV? I already started making my own list, but perhaps someone else has already done so?

I've started by looking up old empires/kingdoms, and then trying to find maps of contemporary boundaries. I've found a few coins to put on my list doing this method.
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Seems like it might be an interesting undertaking. I have no idea but would like to see what you come up with.
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On various threads I have advocated building an 'OFEC' collection, and in those cases explained it by saying:
'One From Every Culture'.

Over the history of coinage of the last 2,600 years from it's beginning, I knew that the definition of 'culture' would have to be necessarily be very fuzzy.
Nevertheless, it does give you a sort of metaphoric 'clothesline' onto which you can hang some very interesting coins.
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I don't know how the list compares with GCV, but there's always the Wildwinds Greek City-Region-and-Ruler index. You'd need to go through and delete all the duplicate entries for "kings" of the larger kingdoms and empires and there are some countries listed there (such as Aksum and the Indo-Scythians) that aren't listed in GCV or GIC, but it's certainly a start.

Recall that the concept of "nation" or "country" was a lot fuzzier back then; "nationalism" had not yet been invented. The Greek tradition was that each city was self-governing - if you could put a wall up around your city, that made your city a de-facto independent country; anybody who wanted to rule over you had to get through your wall first. Even if your city was large and wealthy enough to have founded colonies, those colonies very quickly (usually within a generation) became independent city-states in their own right, with little or no loyalty shown to their mother-city.

"Kingdoms" or "empires" that conquered multiple cities and even entire regions were something that was imposed on Greek culture from outside - by the Persians, Macedonians, Carthaginians and Romans. Greeks rarely ruled over other Greeks very well or for very long; whenever one city (such as Athens) became powerful enough to start doing so, the other cities would all gang together and beat them up. This tendency to fight and squabble amongst themselves proved very handy to those surrounding empires, who frequently prodded one city or faction into war against another until everyone was so weaked and war-weary they were easy pickings for conquest.
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I have an OFEC collection. I cannot answer how many ancient cultures and kingdoms there were. There are hundreds in India alone.
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