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1921-D... What's Going On Here?... & VAM Help!

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 Posted 03/19/2015  10:26 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Ok, so I was looking at this one and the E of STATES looks wrong, almost sunk below the other letters. Then under my loop I notice that the T & S have strong doubling on tops which may account for the E looking off?... So what do u think about that area?... Now to VAM, which one? Is that doubling a pickup? Also, I see NO die cracks ANYWHERE if it helps... let me know if u need close pics on any areas. Thanks

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 Posted 03/19/2015  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eagle_eye_18 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like Machine Doubling to me not a doubled die. Not a VAM sorry.
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 Posted 03/19/2015  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I think it's a press sneeze. Look at the differing color of the toning right where the doubling exists - the metal has a different character, caused by the stutter-strike, which caused it to tone in a different pattern than the surrounding area.

I'm more interested in the rim crumbling at 5:00 obverse and what looks like a die crack above the AT in STATES.
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Man, I didn't even notice the rim dave what's the deal with that and YES there is a crack from the denticles above middle of ST down to the A tip then stright-on to the left T tip then up. Also from right top T to top corner of E and right top of E to top S (with what looks like a small die chip in the crack just past the A)

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Wow looking at the bottom obv rim that sucker is long and noticeably deep I'll get a pic from the north angle for u guys
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Rim crumbling is relatively common on 1921's since they pushed production so hard, and not unusual to see it here. It may or may not be a known late die state of an identified VAM. With the other evidence, I'm working on that.
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