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Rest in Peace
United States
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Hi all, Just curious what your thoughts are regarding the price of Gold & Silver in the face of all this spending the U.S. is doing.? What effect do you feel it will have on the dollar..? What effect, if any, will it have on the shipping costs and coin purchases..? catman 
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Valued Member
United States
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Howdy catman, I'll keep it short and sweet, no effect what so ever. I have been waitng for gold and silver to rise for years now and it keeps staying right where it is..Gold under $500, silver under 10 bucks-- 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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IMO, the long term outlook for all hard assets is good, but for bad reasons. I have a *theory* Catman and it goes like this: Cycles exist and must exist to maintain balance. But a cycle flip upsets the status quo and so will often be seen as something that does not bring balance but instead brings "evil," disorder and hardship. Deep recessions are a good example of this. A real and deep recession purges the economy of garbage. Recession is the "slayer," the natural enemy of boom times. The slayer preys on weakness and so makes the future brighter but at the expense of the present. People like the present, they resent change and when the apple cart tips it is usually viewed as an evil plot. Your not going to convince someone who's filling out forms in line "A" that the bad present might be good for the future. But your not going to get rid of the slayer either, he's everywhere for everything. Even in something as benign sounding as this: "Strength becomes weakness, weakness becomes strength." Sun Tzu Now for the past 25 years financial assets, ie stocks, bonds, commercial instruments have been king and the result of economic strength and stability. While hard assets, ie gold, silver, rare coins, etc, the mark of inflation and a weak economy have been the mocked "squire-boy." Well the "squire-boy" is becoming a knight and the king is dying. Strength is becoming weakness and weakness is becoming strength. Credit is not money. The debt problem in this country is more than enough to take us down. Sorry, but cycles don't care about how special we Americans think we are. Five plus negative ten still equals negative five. Just because we like to believe "we're special" doesn't make it fifteen. We really are a disfunctional nation when it comes to simple math.  The oil problem is real. Although I don't doubt that the oil roaches are taking advantage of the situation the situation still exists: World oil production is approaching peak. Inflation, job loss, and *major* social unrest is, IMO, the long cycle that's kicking in for the world and *especially* United States. Again, I can't urge people enough to read The Long Emergency by James Howard Kunstler. It's rather sobering. As our economy goes, I believe the "slayers" are closing in: "There was three kings into the east, Three kings both great and high, And they hae sworn a solemn oath John Barleycorn should die..." Robert Burns
Edited by longnine009 09/21/2005 11:34 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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On a much less profound note...I was wondering why the price of silver is up to $7.35 an ounce. My thinking is that with the advent of digital cameras and the decline of the use of silver by dentists what's left? Just jewelry? Maybe there's some new use for silver that I'm not aware of. Maybe it has nothing to do with a practical use for silver, just being dragged along for nostalgic reasons?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Lighten up Francis!!!!  John Barleycorn will live on, be it in bath tubs, basements or stills in the woods, what men crave other men will be provide for. Each generation has a John Barleycorn that someone thinks "Must Die" It is always the "hidden evil" that takes the blame. Greed and the pursuit of Power are the destroyers of most things  . Gold and Silver Steady. Sadly, war and disasters create jobs and corporate profit. Corporate profits create reinvestment, and jobs create increased spending and thus increased revenues. And around the Economic circle we go......Mike, Peace
Edited by Mike 09/22/2005 01:21 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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quote: Originally posted by Mike
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Gold and Silver Steady. Sadly, war and disasters create jobs and corporate profit. Corporate profits create reinvestment, and jobs create increased spending and thus increased revenues. And around the Economic circle we go......Mike, Peace
Have to disagree with that Mike. War creates a loser a.k.a the winner and a really big loser a.k.a the vanquished. It does create jobs in the defense industry and corporate profits but the input is more than the output. Usually how it goes when the gubment does something. Both war spending and social spending have had the same results more money in that what was "generated." If it were otherwise we would not have a 7 trillion dollar national debt. Who's Fransis? This is Bill.
Edited by longnine009 09/22/2005 02:58 am
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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quote: Originally posted by adobero1
On a much less profound note...I was wondering why the price of silver is up to $7.35 an ounce. My thinking is that with the advent of digital cameras and the decline of the use of silver by dentists what's left? Just jewelry? Maybe there's some new use for silver that I'm not aware of. Maybe it has nothing to do with a practical use for silver, just being dragged along for nostalgic reasons?
On the some German forums they are waiting for 50 dollar silver If you expect that you are willing to pay 12.5 or more 
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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quote: Originally posted by longnine009
quote: Originally posted by Mike
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Gold and Silver Steady. Sadly, war and disasters create jobs and corporate profit. Corporate profits create reinvestment, and jobs create increased spending and thus increased revenues. And around the Economic circle we go......Mike, Peace
Have to disagree with that Mike. War creates a loser a.k.a the winner and a really big loser a.k.a the vanquished. It does create jobs in the defense industry and corporate profits but the input is more than the output. Usually how it goes when the gubment does something. Both war spending and social spending have had the same results more money in that what was "generated." If it were otherwise we would not have a 7 trillion dollar national debt.
Who's Fransis? This is Bill.
You remember the film the mouse that roared ? based on the fact that anybody that lost a war with the US got rich in the end 
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Rest in Peace
United States
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A great story, and not so far from the truth. Francis, is a character from the movie "Stripes" who lets say is a bit negative and on edge.  Just a poke in the ribs,as I respect your opinions. There is so much to deal with day to day it's hard not to be cynical. I view life in a much different way due to personal circumstances over the last few years. I am lucky to be here and am blessed to live in America. I live now without much fear, and I think that is one of lives secrets. Peace, Mike
Edited by Mike 09/26/2005 12:01 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
980 Posts |
quote: Originally posted by catman
Hi all,
Just curious what your thoughts are regarding the price of Gold & Silver in the face of all this spending the U.S. is doing.? What effect do you feel it will have on the dollar..? What effect, if any, will it have on the shipping costs and coin purchases..?
catman 
Hi Catman, Good questions! I'm concerned about deficit spending, and well as the trade deficit on our economy. That may not affect the price of silver-it is a funny commodity- not directly linked to economic uses, not thought of as "money" in the same way it has been throughout most of recorded history. The silver to gold ratio was between 15 and 20 from Roman times until the late 19th century. Clearly that no longer holds true. Industrial applications and photographic use make up over half of all silver demand on a yearly basis. Former is tied to the global economy. Latter has held surprisingly steady-while digital photography has grown by leaps and bounds in the developed world, in developing economies such as India and China phoographic use of silver is actually increasing (as more folks can afford items like disposable cameras, but cannot afford computers...) to further cloudy the silver "crystal ball" most silver production is actually a byproduct of production of other metals such as copper- meaning that silver production is at some price points dependent on copper pricing, not silver pricing. Gold is a completely different story-within reason, higher prices=greater production-but yearly production is small compared to the total amount of gold owned by folks. Many countries have lots of gold to sell if the price increases-not true of silver. about 1% of gold demand come from new production- well over half of silver demand does. Many higher grade silver coin values aren't very connected to silver prices. Gold's a whole 'nother story... only super high grade coins aren't very affected by gold prices. Shipping costs will go up as oil prices increase. Coin purchases-dependent on comsumer confidence and disposable income. Dollar-i'll leave that question for others... Don
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Little has changed recently. We've been spending beyond our means and eventually we'll have to pay for it. The price will be inflation and inequalities which make the economy less efficient so there is less wealth to divide up. I'm looking for the stock market to move sideways until inflation gets going pretty good and then it will almost keep up with it. Watch for still higher commodity prices. The better the economy does the better silver will do. The better inflation does, the better gold will do.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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A bit of history that seems to be the talk of the town. In the mid-late 1970's the oil prices went up and shortly there after Gold and Silver went through the roof. Many have been predicting Gold at $5000 and Silver at $500. While this is fantasy, there are a lot of people banking on it.
Long term, I think Gold and Silver are always a good investment. Do NOT expect stupid numbers like those of the 1980's. We could easily see $500 Gold and $10 Silver though.
My crystal ball (which doesn't work) tells me that we will see $525 Gold, $14 Silver.
Don't bet the house on it!
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Rest in Peace
 United States
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It would probably be wise to consider Gold and silver a commodity. You can bank on gild and silver going up with inflation. You will get spurts of highs and lows based on current economic trends. The real value comes in the demand for the precious metals. How much does industry need it. Remember however there is a unique side to gold and silver. People add a lot to the demand. Not many other commodities I know of that people will hoard for their protection. This adds value to the metals. The less faith the people have in their government the more gold and silver they hoard and the price goes up. catman 
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Belgium
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I also would like to add that my grandparents hired a car and a chauffeur and spend the big worldwar in the south of france all based on possession of 20 dollars in gold which were sewn in the hem of the dress of my mother and grandmother I also understand some unfortunate people bought their freedom from being killed by having diamonds
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New Member
United States
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I think this place is in for a rude awakening. I saw the other day that people are having difficulty making credit card payments because of higher gasoline prices. So a few hundred bucks extra a month is making life that hard for some people? If that's the case then the average American is a lot weaker than I ever imagined from a financial point of view and we are teetering on a serious recession if not depression. Tom 
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