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James II The [c] (1460-1473) Crusader States Of Cyprus

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Sorry for the poor pics once again, small coin and we have an over cast day here.

I have here a Crusader States of Cyprus coin, which I have narrowed down to James II the . However, I see there are some varieties listed but I don't have a catalog that covers this series. Does anyone know about these coins?

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Nice coins, we have been seeing a lot more medieval coins lately than ancients.
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I have the Crusader States catalogue by Malloy et al.

I would concur with your ID, a copper sezin of James II of Cyprus. None of the other kings of Cyprus issued copper sezins; according to contemporary historians, James II was bankrupt after conquering Cyprus in 1460 so for the first few years of his reign he struck only copper carzias and sezins (six-carzia-pieces) from copper seized from the bath-houses and residences. Malloy lists five different varieties of sezin, differing only by the legends. Unfortunately, I can't read enough of the legends on your coin to definitively pick a variety. I think it's Malloy 165, with reverse legend +X REX IDERUSAIS.
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Should I try cleaning it up any. Out of curiosity I took a pin and carefully pushed down on the dirt and it broke away. I think if I let it soak in olive oil and pick at it I might be able to improve it some. Although I am not sure if I can improve it enough to read the legends.
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if it came off that easily I would go for some cleaning AR.

i don't know a thing about it either, but I've been digging these medieval coins you guys have been posting.
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Okay, I'm going to give a go at it with some cleaning and see if I can get some more details to show up.

chrsmat71: Medieval coins are hidden little gems that are largely ignored by the coin collecting world but there are so many interesting coins with history behind them.

Sap: Thanks for checking on the attribution. Would you recommend the book Crusader States catalogue by Malloy et al.? I would like to get something and wondering if I should add it to my list?
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This is awesome.
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Would you recommend the book Crusader States catalogue by Malloy et al.? I would like to get something and wondering if I should add it to my list?

It's good enough for the purpose of describing the various issues of coins from the various states, and it's recent enough to still be considered "current". I'd recommend it for anyone who is (or is considering) seriously getting into Crusader coins or mediaeval coins generally. However, it is a catalogue, not a price guide; it gives no prices. The original 1994 edition came with a price guide supplement but I don't think the current edition does yet.
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The word "B astard" was not an insult till the reign of queen Victoria.
In medieval times was very usual that the "s" and "legitimous" children grow together under the care of the legal wife.
Sometimes you can see an oblicous band that cross the shield, this is called "bar sinister" or more accurately "bend sinister", as an example in Spain, our King Phillip II had a "" brother, son of his father Charles I...
His name was Juan de Austria, and his position was so hight that he comanded the combined fleet that defeated the turks at the naval battle of Lepanto (or Naupacktos in Greece).
This nickname was only to mark a difference with another regent...
Ah, just another thing, in Spain we have had real "" kings, concretelly Peter I of Castille, nicknamed "the cruel".
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