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The only way to find out if it has been cleaned, is to look at alot of them, unfortunately. I had gotten ripped off by a dealer called clark smith and the coin was cleaned, and it was gold. For me its alot easier to tell if silver coins have been cleaned. But I'm pretty sure it was
Even though I havent looked at enough to really know, it probably is
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Belgium
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All you need is a good teacher who is willing to share his knowledge I know because that is the way I learned  |
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United States
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GCL
Go get you some pocket change,, sit down with silver polish, soap and water, paper towels, cloth towels,brillo pads(steel wool) clean some coins that your going to spend, check them out in your loupe, and see what they look like, and then for silver or gold multiply the effects !! based on hardness silver and gold will be affected much easier !!
Rick
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Belgium
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Now this is a coin that has me and my friend completely stumped The wear in the hair of Napoleon cries out XF The color underneath the word Napoleon being dark brown cries out that the rest of the coin was mechanically cleaned However the lustre under the date on the reverse cries out AU albeit also with dark colors at the rim We summed it up this is a coin to get in a book if anybody could find out what happened to it By lack of better we seem to think somebody did a poor job with a pencil eraser Any suggestions ? http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...photohosting |
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United Kingdom
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The obverse screams cleaned to me Ageka! The cheek for one (having cleaned some coins from circ, when I see shine on the highest points only in think cleaned).
I would say an eraser on the reverse also (having also done that method!)
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Originally posted by Ętheling
The obverse screams cleaned to me Ageka! The cheek for one (having cleaned some coins from circ, when I see shine on the highest points only in think cleaned).
I would say an eraser on the reverse also (having also done that method!)
I only did copper polish about 30 years ago and recognise it instantly Now I am into Acetone and the whole pure solvent series which should only be regocnisable by the absense of fat and dirt My friend is into heavy dipping and showed me the difference in color heavy dipping will provoke on gold We do not know anybody in brushing anymore because it seems like a thing of the past Thanks for your contribution This coin yelled unnatural at me the first second |
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United Kingdom
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I like it. I could live with it for sure. But generally i'd prefer something with nicer surfaces.
But I'm a real sucker for Royal French coins of the Bourbons.
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Australia
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 Obviously cleaned...seller is claiming it is uncleaned and is UNC. Any thoughts from members well versed in ancient Greek coins  |
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Belgium
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Originally posted by Ętheling
I like it. I could live with it for sure. But generally i'd prefer something with nicer surfaces.
But I'm a real sucker for Royal French coins of the Bourbons.
I would love to have a nice Louis XIV or Louis XV I like the Roi Soleil ( Sun king ? ) I also like the 3 musketeers ( that were 4 ) Aramis, Portos, Athos and D'Artagnan if I am not mistaken I liked mylady and the spitefull Richelieu (all characters by Andre Dumas) Sofar I got no closer then a dipped Louis XVI I got for a song and dance on the german bay  I still need several tries to make a pic show Edited by ageka
10/26/2005 07:58 am
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I think you'll find Cardinal Richelieu was no ficticious character!
He was a real man, he was a very powerful and very influential man that got Louis XIII's France through some very difficult times. Although the catch was he built up what eventually became the foundations of Ancien Regime absolutism of Louis XIV. If you've ever seen the Return of the Muskateers Louis XIV was the little brat that was ringing the bell. And yes Cardial Mazeran (sp?) was a real person too!
I love Louis XVI coinage most of all! That one you have is nice!
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I forgot all about Mazarin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XIVBut I guess in French history the cardinals etc did their work in killing people they did not like or usurping their powers if they had any to usurp I read some about the crusade that had as only objective to kill the last Albigensis at Mt Segur There were two types of Albigenses: believers and Perfects. Believers were Albigenses who had not taken the initiation rite of being a Perfect. Perfects denounced all material possession. Denouncing material possessions was tantamount to asking to be killed by a Pope ironically named Innocent the third http://www.mystical-sites.stevenred.../cathar.htmlI added the link to the castles Edited by ageka
10/26/2005 2:09 pm
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Hey lim118 where is that coin for sale at? And what is the bid or buy price at this time. Cleaned or not it is a great looking ancient!
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Hey lim118 where is that coin for sale at? And what is the bid or buy price at this time. Cleaned or not it is a great looking ancient!
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As a novice I find this discussion very interesting. It seems logical to me that if cleaning physically scars or marks the coin it should effect the grading. If cleaning only effects toning or coloration that, on the surface  , would be a matter of value judgment. The other option would to be a separate grading on cleaning, perhaps? Someone enlighten me, please. And what do you mean by whizzed? What is mechanical cleaning, a lapidary tumbler? Thanks. |
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